Michael Jackson The Life Of An Icon(迈克尔·杰克逊：偶像的一生)[2011]电影台词本阅读、下载和单词统计

电影名称：迈克尔·杰克逊：偶像的一生
英文名称：Michael Jackson The Life Of An Icon
年代：2011

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[00:24]	Michael Jackson’s lA Residence June 25, 2009	迈克尔·杰克逊住所 2009年6月25日
[01:23]	l arrived at the hospital	我抵达医院
[01:25]	and the lady came out maybe 20 minutes later, a nurse.	差不多20分钟后有名护士走出来
[01:27]	Frank Dileo JACKSON’s MANAGER 1984-89, 2009	法兰克·迪里奥(迈克尔·杰克逊经纪人)
[01:31]	l stood up. she said, “Who are you?”	我起身时 她问我 您是哪位?
[01:35]	‘l’m Frank Dileo, l manage Michael.	我是法兰克·迪里奥 迈克尔的经纪人
[01:38]	‘ls he okay? ‘	他还好吗?
[01:39]	she hesitated, and l knew.	她一迟疑我就明白了
[01:43]	she looked me in the eye and said,	她直视着我回答
[01:46]	‘No, he didn’t make it. ‘	他走了
[01:50]	l had them put him in a special room and clean him up.	我请他们将他安置在特别的病房好净身
[01:53]	And that was the one nice thing, is l got to be alone with him.	好让我有机会与他独处
[02:01]	And l got to kiss him on the forehead and,	我吻了他的额头
[02:05]	you know, tell him what l felt.	将心中的话告诉他
[02:45]	When l started seeing the news clips	当我看到新闻报导时
[02:47]	David Gest MlCHAEl’s ClOSE FRlEND	大卫·格斯特(迈克尔·杰克逊挚友)
[02:49]	the day he died,	就在他去世那天
[02:51]	my heart sank.	我心都碎了
[02:55]	Michael was the most exciting performer	迈克尔是我这辈子所遇过
[03:00]	l had ever seen in my life.	最令人振奋的表演者
[03:05]	He was the ultimate pop superstar.	他是最顶尖的超级巨星
[03:10]	He wanted, more than anything, for his legacy to be	他最希望的莫过于让自己的演艺生涯…
[03:13]	he is the greatest performer of all time.	他是世上最棒的表演者
[03:16]	And that’s what he became.	他的确就是
[03:19]		迈克尔·杰克逊 偶 像 的 一 生
[04:33]	l grew up in East Chicago, lndiana.	我在印第安纳州的东芝加哥长大
[04:38]	My mother and father divorced	我很小时父母就离异
[04:38]	Katherine Jackson MlCHAEl’s MOTHER	凯瑟琳·杰克逊(迈克尔·杰克逊的母亲)
[04:40]	when l was at a young age, about six years old.	差不多六岁时吧
[04:44]	My mother was Baptist.	我母亲是浸信会教友
[04:45]	And my sister and l sang in the Baptist choir.	而我与姊妹曾在浸信会的合唱团唱歌
[04:49]	lt made us have a love for music.	培养了我们对音乐的热爱
[04:54]	My father used to listen to the country music all the time,	我父亲以前常收听乡村音乐
[04:58]	and out of Chicago came a show, on the radio,	当时芝加哥有个广播节目
[05:02]	called Suppertime Frolic.	名叫Suppertime Frolic
[05:06]	And then on saturdays, he would listen to the Grand Ole Opty	然后周六他会听Grand Ole Opry
[05:09]	that came out of Nashville.	那是纳什维尔的电台
[05:12]	some of the people were Ernest Tubb, that’s ancient.	包含了像欧内斯特·塔伯等歌手 够古老的
[05:16]	let me… let the people know how old l am.	泄漏了我的年龄
[05:23]	We had a club called the Sub-Debs.	我们成立了一个叫瑟布德丝的社团
[05:32]	We used to give teenage parties for all the kids around there,	常常帮附近的青少年办派对
[05:36]	and that’s where l met Joe.	我与乔就是那时相识的
[05:40]	l think l was around 17 years old.	我当时应该17岁吧
[05:43]	He would always ask me for a dance when the music was slow.	他喜欢找我跳慢舞
[05:52]	He seemed very kind, very sweet.	他人很好 很贴心
[05:57]	Joseph was in a group.	约瑟夫当时组团
[05:59]	Besides me leaving singing with my sister,	我不再跟我姊妹唱歌
[06:02]	l started singing with him.	而跑去跟他合作
[06:04]	And we would sing and harmonise together a lot.	我们常一起歌唱和音
[06:11]	Then the children came along, and l kept singing.	生了孩子后 我还是继续在唱
[06:17]	2300 Jackson st, in that little house.	杰克逊街2300号的那栋小屋
[06:17]	Rebbie Jackson MlCHAEl’s SlSTER	瑞比·杰克逊(迈克尔的姊妹)
[06:21]	l was the only one born in that house.	只有我是在那里出生
[06:24]	We had two bedrooms in our home.	屋子里有两间房间
[06:27]	And l and my sisters, Janet and La Toya,	我跟其他姊妹珍娜与拉托雅
[06:30]	Slept in the living room.	睡在客厅
[06:31]	We had a couch that let out into a bed.	我们有张沙发床
[06:35]	My brothers slept in one room.	所有的兄弟们睡一间
[06:37]	And that room had triple bunk beds.	那间房摆了三套双层床
[06:40]	And they slept on the bunk beds.	他们就睡那
[06:42]	And then my parents slept in the other room.	然后父母睡另一间卧室
[06:46]	l don’t know how l squeezed all of us	我真不知道怎么把那么一大家子
[06:48]	in that little house.	安顿在那么小的屋内
[06:50]	Having all my children when	很年轻时就生了小孩并且那么的密集
[06:52]	I was young and having them so close together,	并且那么的密集
[06:56]	every time l would get pregnant, l was afraid to tell Joe.	我每次怀孕 都不敢跟乔说
[07:04]	We didn’t believe in abortion,	我们不认同堕胎
[07:07]	so that’s why we got so many children.	所以才生了这么多孩子
[07:11]	The children around our neighbourhood, especially the boys,	邻居的孩子们 尤其是男孩子
[07:15]	they were kind of bad, some of them.	有些品性真的不好
[07:16]	They would break in people’s cars and do things.	会偷人家的车之类的
[07:19]	And our children were never allowed	我们禁止孩子们
[07:21]	to go out at night or play with those kids.	晚上出游或是跟那些孩子们玩
[07:24]	They weren’t really social with the rest of the neighbourhood.	他们与周遭的邻居没有什么互动
[07:24]	J. Randy Taraborrelli JACKSON’s FRlEND AND BlOGRAPHER	J·蓝迪·塔拉普雷利(迈克尔·杰克逊好友及传记作者)
[07:29]	They clung to each other,	他们自己是个小团体
[07:31]	and that’s how the Jacksons were raised.	杰克逊家的孩子就是这样长大的
[07:33]	Poor? I mean, that was a way of life.	贫穷? 日子就是这样
[07:36]	We had plenty of food to eat.	我们从来不会没饭吃
[07:38]	We were like all the other kids in the area.	我们就跟附近的孩子们一样
[07:40]	Michael never thought he was poor when he was young,	迈克尔小时候从不曾觉得自己家境不好
[07:42]	because he did not know what poor was.	因为他根本不知贫穷为何物
[07:46]	He thought everyone lived the way his family did.	他一直认为所有人的家庭都跟他家一样
[07:50]	We had a rickety washing machine.	我们有台破洗衣机
[07:52]	We weren’t able to buy a new one.	但没有钱换新的
[07:54]	Whenever it washed, it would creak. You know, make noises…	每次洗衣服时都叽喀作响
[07:58]	something like that.	类似这样
[07:59]	And Michael, l guess, was about 11 or 12 months old.	迈克尔差不多11到12个月时
[08:03]	He was just dancing to the rhythm of the washing machine.	开始随着洗衣机的声响起舞
[08:06]	And l knew then that he had a lot of rhythm.	我当时就发现他很有节奏感
[08:13]	Michael would always do funny things, anything for a laugh.	迈克尔总是会为了博君一笑 而做些很搞笑的事
[08:16]	Anything for a laugh.	只要能引人发笑
[08:19]	La Toya was always very persnickety	拉托雅对自己的房间
[08:21]	about the way she kept her room.	总是很要求
[08:23]	And she had this beautiful…	她那时有…
[08:25]	l think it was a white satin bedspread that she had just gotten.	我记得好像是一床缎做的被单才刚入手
[08:29]	Michael took some invisible ink	迈克尔竟然拿神奇墨水
[08:31]	and he spread it all over the bedspread, squirted it all over.	洒得一床都是
[08:34]	And then he had her come in and look at it. she was livid.	然后再叫她来看 她简直气炸了
[08:40]	Michael used to love telling me stories about Gary, lndiana,	迈克尔以前常爱跟我说印第安纳州瑞城的事
[08:43]	especially how he would have a candy store,	尤其是他开糖果铺的事
[08:46]	and he would sell candy to all the neighbours,	卖糖果给附近的小孩
[08:49]	and to his brothers.	还有他的兄弟
[08:51]	And he never made any money doing it,	但他从来就没赚过钱
[08:54]	but he showed signs of being an entrepreneur at a very young age.	但在很小时就显现出企业家的风范
[09:01]	As kids, we had a lot of fun.	我们的童年很有趣
[09:01]	Tito Jackson MlCHAEl’s BROTHER	蒂托·杰克逊(迈克尔·杰克逊兄长)
[09:03]	You know, just playing around in the neighbourhood.	每天就在附近玩
[09:06]	Playing practical jokes,	搞恶作剧
[09:07]	throwing balloons out the car windows at bus stops,	从车上对着公交车站牌扔汽球
[09:11]	singing and dancing to every song that came on the radio.	跟着收音机上的歌又唱又跳的
[09:17]	Michael would use some of the money from his candy store	迈克尔会拿他卖糖果的钱
[09:20]	to go and buy 45s,	去买唱片
[09:22]	because in those days, that’s what kids bought, 45s.	那时的孩子都是买唱片
[09:26]	And if you were lucky, you’d buy an lP.	运气好才能买黑胶唱片
[09:29]	But he started listening strongly to James Brown	但是他差不多从五岁起
[09:34]	from the time he was about five years old.	就开始很喜欢听詹姆斯·布郎
[09:37]	He had a great taste for real R&B,	他很喜欢R&B音乐
[09:42]	gritry R&B, like Wilson Pickett,	有点粗糙的R&B 像威尔逊·皮克
[09:46]	the Dells,	戴尔斯合唱团
[09:48]	great singers like levi Stubbs.	还有像利瓦伊·史塔布斯这样的大师
[09:52]	We sang country songs and we sang folk songs.	我们唱乡村音乐也唱民谣
[09:56]	And then they started singing the Temptations	我们买了电视后
[09:59]	when we got a television.	他们就开始唱诱惑合唱团的歌
[10:02]	My father had a guitar that he kept locked in the closet.	我父亲有一把吉他锁在衣橱里
[10:06]	One day, he didn’t lockthe closet the closet	有天他忘了锁
[10:07]	and l started playing that thing.	我就把它拿出来弹
[10:09]	l learnt evety song on the radio	我学会弹所有收音机上播放的歌曲
[10:11]	and made my brothers sing with me.	并逼兄弟们跟我合唱
[10:13]	Joseph had warned them, “Don’t play my guitar, now.”	约瑟夫警告过他们 别乱玩我的吉他
[10:16]	And so, Tito took it out and played it, and a string broke.	蒂托还是拿出来弹 结果断了一根弦
[10:22]	There was no way of hiding that he hadn’t had his guitar.	他玩吉他的事就曝光了
[10:25]	He punished him for it.	结果被惩罚
[10:27]	Then he said, ‘let me hear you play. ‘	然后他说 你弹给我听听
[10:29]	And Tito played for him.	蒂托就为他弹奏
[10:31]	Joe just said nothing else to him,	乔之后什么都没说只跟他说
[10:33]	‘You can play it if you want to. ‘	喜欢就拿去弹吧
[10:35]	Tito had been watching his father play guitar,	蒂托一直看着父亲弹吉他
[10:38]	but he would come to my house and he and l would play.	但他来我家时就是我跟他一起弹
[10:41]	Reynaud Jones NElGHBOUR – GARY, lNDlANA	雷诺·德斯(邻居)
[10:42]	And l would play a little something on my guitar,	我会先在我的吉他上弹一小段然后再教他
[10:45]	and then show him,	然后再教他
[10:46]	and then give my guitar to him.	然后把吉他给他
[10:48]	And then he’d try to play it.	让他来弹
[10:50]	And so we went back and forth like that.	我们就这样反反复复
[10:52]	There was a guy across the street who had one snare drum,	对街有个人家里有套小鼓
[10:57]	and his name was Milford Hite.	他叫做梅尔夫·海特
[10:59]	Reynaud said, ‘Milford, come over with your drum	雷诺德说 梅尔夫 把鼓带来
[10:59]	Milford Hite NElGHBOUR – GARY, lNDlANA	梅尔夫·海特(邻居)
[11:00]	‘and let’s see if we can, you know, start a little group together. ‘	我们看能不能组个团什么的
[11:05]	We played for a while and then Jackie Jackson came over.	我们就这样玩了一阵子 然后杰基·杰克逊也加入了
[11:08]	Okay.	好
[11:09]	Then after Jackie came in, Jermaine came.	杰基加入后 杰曼也来了
[11:13]	Michael and Marlon were just little kids.	迈克尔与马龙当时还是小孩子
[11:15]	And we used to tell them to be quiet, “Get out of here.”	我们老是叫他俩别吵 赶快出去
[11:18]	We used to kick them out the room.	老把他们俩踢出去
[11:19]	And they used to beg to be in the group.	他们总是恳求着要入团
[11:22]	And we just said, ‘Your little brother wants to be in the… ‘	我们总是说 你小弟想要加入…
[11:24]	You know, you just said, ‘No,	我们就回 不行
[11:25]	get out of here. This is big boy stuff. ‘	快出去 这是大男孩的事
[11:29]	The school was giving a programme	学校要公演
[11:31]	and all the parents were invited.	并邀请所有家长出席
[11:34]	And Michael was singing solo, Climb Evety Mountain.	迈克尔当时要独唱Climb Every Mountain
[11:37]	And so Joe’s father wanted to go also, so he could hear him.	乔的父亲也想要去听他唱歌
[11:42]	And Michael starts singing.	迈克尔一开口
[11:45]	l looked around, Joe’s father was crying.	我转头就看到乔的父亲在哭
[11:50]	l guess he couldn’t imagine	我想他大概没料到
[11:51]	that a 5-year-old kid can keep harmony and sing that well.	一个五岁儿能唱和音还唱得这么好
[11:55]	But that’s what happened.	但事实就是如此
[11:57]	We heard him sing and we were so taken by that.	我们听他唱歌时都大吃一惊
[12:02]	We couldn’t believe it so we rushed him home,	无法置信 大伙一赶回家
[12:04]	immediately took him to the room.	马上带他进房里
[12:06]	And he was in the group, that fast.	然后立刻入团
[12:12]	The big thing back then was	当时的大事之一
[12:13]	winning the Roosevelt High School talent show.	是在罗斯福高中的选拔赛中胜出
[12:17]	ln the ’50s and the ’60s,	那时是50至60年代
[12:18]	talent shows were the key to getting a career and a record deal.	要签约发片就得靠选拔秀
[12:24]	And that’s what they dreamed of.	那也是他们的梦想
[12:28]	lnitially, Michael was not our lead singer.	迈克尔本来不是主唱
[12:31]	lt was Jermaine was our lead singer	我们入选选秀时
[12:33]	when we made it to the talent show.	主唱原本是杰曼
[12:37]	They came to me and asked me if l would come over	他们邀请我过去
[12:39]	and give them some pointers on tightening up the group.	要我指点他们一下
[12:40]	Robert Hite NElGHBOUR – GARY, lNDlANA	罗伯特·海特(邻居)
[12:44]	l actually decided that we were going to present the song My Girl,	我本来决定要唱My Girl
[12:50]	because it was a song that l had become very fond of.	因为那是我本身很喜欢的歌
[12:55]	Each person would get a chance to step forward in the song,	演唱时 每个团员
[12:59]	and showcase what they could do.	都有机会独秀一段
[13:01]	Milford actually sang My Girl along with them.	梅尔夫跟着他们一起唱My Girl
[13:05]	Reynaud was singing My Girl.	雷诺德也唱了My Girl
[13:07]	And all of a sudden We said, “Michael, sing My Girl.”	我们突然说 迈克尔 唱My Girl
[13:11]	And he hit it, perfect pitch.	他一唱就到位
[13:16]	And that was it.	就是这样
[13:18]	That was our secret weapon, quite honestly.	那其实是我们的秘密武器
[13:31]	When Michael came in, the crowd just stood up.	迈克尔一开口 观众一致起立
[13:35]	They actually broke a couple of chairs and seats in the auditorium.	还不小心弄坏了会场好几把椅子
[13:45]	lt was such a surprise.	太令人震惊了
[13:47]	And that’s when everybody recognised the kind of talent that was there.	人们就是在当时发现了他们的才能
[13:54]	We wanted to win and we won.	我们很想赢 也真的胜出
[13:57]	lt was a really happy moment.	那刻真的很开心
[13:58]	lt was just… ‘Cause that was the thing to win, Roosevelt’s talent show.	因为大家的目标就是 要在罗斯福选秀获胜
[14:02]	We win a Roosevelt’s talent show, it’s like signing a contract with Motown.	在罗斯福选秀获胜 就犹如跟摩城唱片签约一般
[14:10]	After the talent show ended,	选秀结束后
[14:13]	Joe decided that Reynaud and Milford weren’t going to be rehearsing with them.	乔决定不让雷诺德与梅尔夫再跟他们一起练团
[14:20]	And that’s what kind of split everything off.	这事让大家决裂
[14:26]	Joseph was, in many ways, a frustrated musician.	约瑟夫本身算是个不得志的音乐家
[14:29]	He had a band called the Falcons.	他曾经组过一个叫天应的乐团
[14:31]	And l think to some extent he wanted to live vicariously	我想就某方面来说 他很想要享受
[14:37]	through the success, the possible success, of his chiIdren as musicians.	自己孩子在音乐上的成就
[14:42]	But Joseph is a vety complicated person,	但约瑟夫是个很复杂的人
[14:44]	and it’s not easy to paint Joseph with a wide brushstroke.	没有办法简单形容的一个人
[14:47]	Joe was a tyrant to them.	乔对他们简直就像个暴君
[14:47]	Bobby Taylor ARTlST, GORDY l MOTOWN RECORDS	鲍比·泰勒(戈迪摩城唱片歌手)
[14:51]	He was mean to them. He was evil to them.	他对他们很不好 很邪恶
[14:54]	Michael was very afraid of Joe,	迈克尔很怕乔
[14:57]	and a lot of times, he would stay over at my house,	很多时候都会在我家夜宿
[14:59]	just to get away from Joe,	只为了躲乔
[15:02]	because he felt Joe had punished him too much when he was younger.	因为他认为小时候经常受到乔的处罚
[15:09]	He had taken a strap and spanked him a lot of times.	他常用皮带抽他
[15:12]	And he felt it was too harsh.	他觉得这太过了
[15:15]	He was a very strong, and often, as they would tell it, violent disciplinarian.	他是个很强壮也很暴力的训练者
[15:25]	Michael, Janet and Randy, and a little bit of Marlon,	迈克尔 珍娜 蓝迪或许还有马龙吧
[15:32]	l think they got easy street, ’cause they were the babies.	他们还好一点 因为他们那时都很小
[15:37]	The ones who really got the spankings in my family, if I remember correctly,	我若记得没错的话我们家被打最惨的
[15:42]	and l’m pretry sure l do,	我记得很清楚
[15:43]	was myself, Jermaine and Jackie,	是我 杰曼与杰基
[15:47]	the older guys.	年纪稍长的孩子们
[15:49]	l’m sort of like five years older than Michael.	我比迈克尔大将近五岁
[15:52]	so he was more of one of the little guys	他算是较小的孩子
[15:55]	that didn’t get it the way the big guys did.	所以没有像我们被教训得那么惨
[15:57]	l think in later life,	我想到后来
[16:00]	he began to respect Joe more,	他才开始比较尊敬乔
[16:03]	because he saw that he wanted his kids to be somebody.	因为他看到了乔的求好心切
[16:09]	My uncle worked in the steel mill.	我叔叔在钢铁厂做事
[16:12]	He never wanted his kids to do what he did.	他不想自己的孩子将来跟他一样
[16:14]	He wanted them to be better.	他要他们更好
[16:15]	l seen the steel mill, and l’m gonna tell you…	我去过钢铁厂 说真的…
[16:15]	Ronald & Keith Jackson JACKSON’s FlRST COUSlNS	郎奴·杰克逊与凯斯·杰克逊(迈克尔·杰克逊堂兄弟)
[16:19]	-lt’s like working for satan… -Do not work there…	-真的很像替恶魔做事… -千万别在那工作…
[16:21]	…because it’s 2,000 degrees out there, and it’s very dangerous.	…热得要死而且很危险
[16:24]	so, his vision, l respect.	我理解他的理想
[16:27]	He wanted them to have a better opportunity,	他希望他们有更多的发展
[16:30]	and to do something they love doing.	能做他们喜爱的事
[16:35]	l think Joe did the right thing because none of his kids went to prison.	我不认为乔有错 因为他的孩子当中没人入狱
[16:40]	None of his kids were out on the street using dope.	也没有在外面吸毒
[16:44]	l think l Was raised right.	我觉得我们教育是正确的
[16:46]	l think my father did a brilliant job	我想我父亲做对的是
[16:49]	to take us from Gary, lndiana,	将我们逃离印第安纳州瑞城
[16:51]	which is a very poverty-stricken town,	非常贫穷的一个城镇
[16:56]	and not too many people get out of there and make something of themselves,	也没有什么人会想要出去有一番作为
[17:01]	and he had a dream, and he stuck with it.	他心中有个梦想并从未放弃过它
[17:04]	And he knew how to get there and he got us there.	他知道实现梦想的途径 并带我们往那里前进
[17:07]	lt’s okay to have fun sometimes but you have to prepare yourself,	人生中作乐是不要紧 但必须要准备好自己
[17:11]	because your adulthood is gonna be a lot longer than your childhood.	毕竟成年的时光 要比童年来得漫长多了
[17:16]	And if you didn’t prepare for it,	不做好准备
[17:17]	you’re gonna be on The late Show.	将来就等着上深夜访谈节目吧
[17:20]	so l think my father prepared his sons for the future, to be men.	我认为父亲是为了我们的未来着想 将我们调教成男子汉
[17:25]	We were men at a vety young age.	我们在很年轻时就被迫长大
[17:28]	l remember asking Michael, “Why do you call him Joseph?”	我记得有次问迈克尔 为什么以约瑟夫称呼他?
[17:31]	And it was really clear, the way Michael explained it,	迈克尔解释得很清楚
[17:35]	that they thought of him as Joseph.	他们就觉得他是约瑟夫
[17:37]	They didn’t really think of him as their father,	他们并不是以看父亲的眼光看待他
[17:39]	they thought of him as Joseph.	他就是约瑟夫
[17:40]	And l thought that was vety sad.	我觉得这真的很心酸
[17:43]	That had to hurt even Joseph,	连约瑟夫应该都会难过吧
[17:45]	to know that his children felt that way about him,	如果知道自己的孩子 如此看待他
[17:47]	but that was the way he designed it.	但这也是他一手策划的
[17:51]	The world now talks about how mean and evil he is.	全世界都说他有多坏多邪恶
[17:55]	He’s not that way.	他其实没有
[17:57]	He’s just a firm person.	他只是个很一板一眼的人
[18:03]	Michael’s very close to my mother,	迈克尔与母亲感情很好
[18:05]	and she was like a comfort to him, l think.	我想她是他心灵上的慰藉
[18:09]	Michael and l had a vety special bond.	迈克尔与我的感情很浓厚
[18:12]	Michael used to always tell me that he was so much like me.	迈克尔以前老说他很像我
[18:17]	And then l used to tell him, l said,	我以前总跟他说
[18:20]	‘l can see myself in you, but l don’t want you to be like me, ‘	我在你身上看到自己的影子 但我不想要你像我一样
[18:25]	because l thought l was too easy-going,	因为我觉得我太随和了
[18:28]	trust people too much,	太容易相信人
[18:30]	and that’s exactly how Michael is.	迈克尔正好就是这个样子
[18:34]	There was a mystical connection that made them almost, at times, one.	他们俩个有时就像是一体的
[18:39]	Michael and Katherine, two peas in a pod.	迈克尔与凯瑟琳 一体两面
[18:46]	He was closer to no one else except for her.	他这辈子最亲近的人就是她
[18:51]	Katherine Jackson was golden where Michael was concerned,	凯瑟琳·杰克逊在迈克尔眼里是完美的
[18:55]	throughout his entire lifetime.	一辈子都是
[18:57]	she always cared.	她很关心他
[18:58]	When he went through stages of acne, she knew how to handle him.	他青春期长痘痘时 她知道该怎么做
[19:04]	lt was almost as if they were aligned with each other against the world.	他俩就像是结成同一阵线对抗世界
[19:10]	And he could always go to Katherine for anything.	他不管有什么事都可以找凯瑟琳
[19:13]	And she would be there for him, 100%.	她也永远都会支持他
[19:28]	They had been working on the music for a long time,	他们已经练了很久了
[19:32]	and they wanted to be signed to a label.	并想要跟公司签约
[19:36]	We would go to school in the morning.	我们早上去上课
[19:39]	Then after school, we’d get home about 3:00, 3:30.	下午差不多三点或三点半到家
[19:42]	And my father’d have all the mics set up and amps on standby.	然后我爸就已经把器材都架好了
[19:48]	And we had enough time to just drop our books,	书包一放下来
[19:50]	and we would practise, like, four hours,	就要练个四小时左右
[19:56]	until about 7:00 or 8:00.	练到差不多七 八点
[19:58]	And after that,	然后
[20:00]	we would get ready to go to Chicago or somewhere,	就要准备动身去芝加哥或其他地方
[20:03]	and go do an engagement.	或是去参加商演
[20:05]	We would play for 45 minutes,	唱个45分钟
[20:07]	and take 15 minutes off and do our homework.	再休息个15分钟做功课
[20:12]	By the time we was through with our day, it was about 2:30 in the morning.	一整天下来 结束时都将近凌晨两点半了
[20:17]	And we’d drive back from Chicago to Gary,	然后再从芝加哥开回瑞城
[20:19]	get home about 3:00, 4:00 in the morning,	到家时差不多凌晨三 四点
[20:22]	then go to school the next day.	然后隔早再去上学
[20:24]	And that’s what life was for us for many years, a lot of work.	许多年的生活都是如此 很辛苦
[20:29]	We would perform all night, tell you the truth, evety day.	每天都要表演一整晚
[20:30]	Voice of Michael Jackson lnterview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli	迈克尔·杰克逊口述 访谈由J·蓝迪·塔拉普雷利提供
[20:33]	We would be dancing, doing James Brown,	我们会跳舞 模仿詹姆斯·布郎
[20:36]	and a lot of people throwing money on stage, and standing ovations.	有许多人会扔钱上台 站立替我们鼓掌
[20:40]	And then, soon as we drove home, we’d get up and go to school.	然后一回到家门口 就差不多要去学校了
[20:44]	And we couldn’t keep our pants up ’cause we had so much money in ’em.	口袋满满的钱重到裤子一直往下掉
[20:48]	l mean, change just broke ’em.	零钱重到把裤子撑破了
[20:50]	And there Was this man’s house, who used to sell candy,	有个人在家里卖糖果
[20:53]	we used to stop there and just load up, eat candy for days.	我们以前都会去买一大堆 吃它个好几天
[20:58]	They had a studio at home and they had these big mirrors and stuff.	他们家有设置录音室 还有许多大镜子
[21:01]	And they would say, ‘Do it again, do it again, do it again, do it again. ‘	他们会说 再来一次 再一次 再一次
[21:05]	And next thing you know, seven, eight, nine hours go by,	晃眼八 九个小时就过了
[21:09]	but they were looking for perfection.	但他们要求的是完美
[21:11]	They were focused, that’s what l liked about them.	他们很专注 我很欣赏这点
[21:11]	Ronnie Rancifer KEYBOARDlST, ‘JACKSON 5’ 1967-77	罗尼·兰斯福(杰克逊五人组琴键手)
[21:15]	They were serious about doing it, and it was about perfection.	他们非常的认真 事事要求完美
[21:19]	Johnny Jackson and Ronnie Rancifer	约翰·杰克逊与罗尼·兰斯福
[21:21]	were part of the early Jackson 5.	早期曾与杰克逊五人组合作
[21:25]	They were not named members	他们并不是正式成员
[21:29]	but they were a part of the group, and an integral part of the group.	但却是那大家族的一分子 很重要的组成
[21:33]	Back then, we didn’t have the greatest instruments in the world.	那时我们的乐器并不是最好的
[21:37]	Other big name groups, they would have big PAs and all that.	其他那些著名乐团 都有大型扩音机之类的
[21:42]	Jacksons didn’t have that, but what they had was soul.	杰克逊家族并没有 但是他们充满灵魂
[21:46]	see… And soul goes a long way.	灵魂的魅力是无法抵挡的
[21:48]	You can have $10 jillion worth of equipment, baby,	就算你拥有昂贵的器材
[21:51]	but if you ain’t got no soul, you might as well stay home.	少了灵魂也是白搭
[21:56]	ln 1967 the Jackson 5 signed for local record label, Steeltown Records.	杰克逊五人组在1967年 与当地的钢城唱片签约
[22:01]	They released two songs on the label; ‘Big Boy’	并发行了两首单曲 ‘Big Boy
[22:03]	and ‘We Don’t Have To Be Over 21 .	与’We Don’t Have To Be Over 21(To Fall in Love)
[22:05]	Neither appeared on any Billboard Chart.	两首都未打入排行榜
[22:12]	One day, l was setting up a VlP section for Bobby Taylor,	有天我正在替鲍比·泰勒打理贵宾区时
[22:17]	all of a sudden, l hear the people clapping and hollering…	突然听到鼓掌与尖叫声…
[22:20]	Weldon Arthur McDougal lll – A & R EXECUTlVE, MOTOWN RECORDS 1969-80	威尔顿·阿瑟·麦德格三世(摩城唱片A&R总监)
[22:22]	And so l come out of the office and l look and there was the Jackson 5.	我走出办公室就看到杰克逊五人组
[22:26]	Well, they are pretry good.	他们还挺厉害的
[22:30]	Joe Jackson said, ‘listen, man, we wanna be on Motown. ‘	乔·杰克逊开口说 嘿 我们想进摩城
[22:34]	And l said, ‘Man, l can’t get nobody on the label. ‘	我说 这可不是我说了就算
[22:37]	And he said, ‘Well, do you know anybody you could introduce me to at Motown? ‘	他回道 你有认识人可引荐我吗?
[22:43]	l was so excited about them,	我对他们充满期待
[22:46]	l told Bobby Taylor that Thursday about them.	那个星期四就跟鲍比·泰勒提到他们
[22:48]	He said, ‘Okay, l’ll look at ’em. ‘	他说 ‘好 我来见他们
[22:50]	l met them in 1968, at the Regal Theater.	我1968年在理格剧院与他们碰面
[22:54]	l was headlining the show.	我当时在那里演出
[22:56]	They were the opening act,	由他们开场
[22:57]	and l was introduced to them by the promoter.	公关介绍我们认识
[23:00]	Berry Gordy, President of Motown, gave him permission	摩城负责人贝瑞·戈迪授权他
[23:04]	to produce any act that he wanted and they would listen to it.	制作任何表演 然后他们就一起听
[23:11]	He, at that time, had a group called Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers.	他那时组的团名叫Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers
[23:14]	They had records on the radio that were going really well and stuff.	他们的专辑还卖得不错
[23:25]	l liked the way he sang, ’cause he was a star vocalist in his own right.	我很喜欢他唱歌的技巧 他本身就是名歌唱巨星
[23:37]	He knew how to do it, when to do it, why to do it, and why not to do it.	他的技巧拿捏得很好
[23:41]	l saw this little kid spinning and stuff, l said, ‘Dang.	我看到这小孩又唱又跳 我说 哗
[23:44]	‘send him upstairs when they finish, l want to talk to this kid. ‘	等他们唱完就让他们上楼吧 我要跟这小子聊聊
[23:49]	Never thought about recording him at that time.	当时并没有想到要让他录音
[23:52]	l said, ‘This little guy, l wanna see what’s happening. ‘	我说 这小鬼 我想要看看他有几两重
[23:56]	He was a kid that would worry you, bug you,	这孩子是那种会一直烦你
[24:00]	until you had to do something with him.	烦到你理他为止
[24:04]	lnstead of him going back to Gary, lndiana, from Chicago	他不但没有回印第安纳州瑞城
[24:07]	every night, he’d go and ask Joseph if he could stay with me,	每晚还问乔能不能睡我那
[24:13]	and spend a night at the hotel with me.	跟我一起睡饭店
[24:15]	so he stayed in my face for 10 straight days,	所以他在我面前连续晃了十天
[24:19]	from the time that we woke up in the morning,	每天一早起床
[24:22]	and l’d take and feed this kid.	我就带着他吃饭
[24:24]	lt was pure. This kid wanted what he got.	很单纯 他最后如愿以偿
[24:30]	He was a workaholic.	他是个工作狂
[24:32]	Bobby Taylor worked hard.	鲍比·泰勒很勤奋
[24:35]	l mean, l can’t say it enough. I want people to know.	我不能停止重申这点 我要大家都知道
[24:38]	He worked harder on them than he did with the Vancouvers.	泰勒对他们比对Vancouvers还严格
[24:42]	My motivation was Michael.	迈克尔是我的动力
[24:45]	l just figured this kid here, he’s an adult in kid’s clothing.	我看着这孩子 外表像孩子但内心却是大人
[24:52]	That was my only motivation.	那是我唯一的动力
[24:54]	Everybody around here knew that Michael Jackson was ‘it. ‘	大伙都知道迈克尔·杰克逊是个奇葩
[24:59]	The world just didn’t know it.	只是还未公诸于世罢了
[25:02]	Bobby was pushing.	鲍比逼得很紧
[25:03]	When l say he was pushing,	我所谓逼得紧
[25:05]	the next time l seen Bobby or l seen the group,	下次我见到鲍比与团员时
[25:09]	he had called me and said he’s working at the Apollo.	他打给我说他在阿波罗剧院演出
[25:13]	And come over to the Apollo, he got a surprise for me.	我一到阿波罗他就给了我个惊喜
[25:18]	And when l went to the Apollo, the Jackson 5 was on the bill.	节目表上竟然有杰克逊五人组的名字
[25:22]	Apollo Theater Harlem, New York City	阿波罗剧院 纽约市哈林区
[25:24]	The Apollo was known as the greatest R&B showroom in the world,	阿波罗可是世上最著名的R&B舞台
[25:28]	because many albums had been made from there,	有许多专辑都是在此灌制
[25:30]	James Brown, live at the Apollo.	詹姆斯·布郎的Live at the Apollo
[25:33]	Jackie Wilson played the Apollo.	杰基·威尔逊也曾在阿波罗演出
[25:35]	Gladys Knight and the Pips played the Apollo.	葛兰迪丝·奈与种子也曾在阿波罗演出
[25:38]	Smokey Robinson and the Miracles.	还有史摩基·罗宾逊与奇迹
[25:40]	Everybody who played the Apollo was a star.	凡是来阿波罗演出的都是巨星
[25:44]	And everybody who was underneath them on a bill	而尾随着他们上节目表的人
[25:48]	was trying to gain that national fame.	都是想要红的艺人
[25:51]	And if you make it there, you’re assured of stardom	名字若上了节目表 走红就是迟早的事
[25:55]	because people knew that you’ve got something very special.	因为大家都清楚你一定是有实力的
[26:00]	lt was a vety tough audience.	那里的观众很刁
[26:01]	And if they did not like you, and you were not a good live act,	他们若不喜欢你或是你唱现场功力不足
[26:05]	even though you may have a hit record, they’d boo you off the stage.	就算你的专辑大卖也一样轰你下台
[26:10]	The Jackson 5 tore that place up.	杰克逊五人组风靡全场
[26:13]	l mean, l’ve never seen an act that nobody never heard of,	我从来没见过一个默默无闻的团体
[26:17]	didn’t have a record,	也没出过专辑
[26:19]	and, l mean, the people kept hollering, ‘Jackson 5! ‘	大家还是不停的喊着杰克逊五人组
[26:22]	On the same show was the 5 stairsteps, and they were young kids, too,	同台演出的还有5 Stairsteps 也是群年轻孩子
[26:28]	or they were about the same age as the Jackson 5.	与杰克逊五人组差不多年龄
[26:32]	And they were complaining,	他们就在抱怨
[26:35]	they wanted to get the Jackson 5 off of the show	他们想要把杰克逊五人组赶走
[26:38]	because evety time they went on, people just hollered,	因为他们每次上场 大家都忙着喊
[26:42]	“Jackson 5! Jackson 5! Jackson 5!”	杰克逊五人组! 杰克逊五人组!
[26:46]	And l said, ‘Wow! l ain’t never seen nothing like this.’	我说 我从来没见过这种场面
[26:53]	Martha Reeves ARTlST, MOTOWN RECORDS	玛沙·瑞芙斯(摩城唱片歌手)
[26:53]	My very first time that l saw Michael Jackson	我第一次见到迈克尔·杰克逊
[26:56]	was at the Apollo Theater in New York.	是在纽约的阿波罗剧院
[27:05]	He and his family were a self-contained act, which was very unusual.	他们一家本身就是一个完整的乐团 其实还满少见的
[27:10]	And yet there was a guitarist in the group and a bassist in the group,	而且团中有吉他手还有贝斯手
[27:13]	and keyboard and drums.	也有鼓手与键盘手
[27:22]	They’d won a contest.	他们刚赢了场选秀
[27:24]	They’d won at the Apollo Theater Amateur Night,	在阿波罗业余选秀中胜出
[27:27]	and their prize was to open the show for the great James Brown.	奖品就是替詹姆斯·布郎开场
[27:32]	Well, he broke out into this James BroWn, l Got the Feelin’,	他开始唱詹姆斯·布郎的l Got the Feeling
[27:35]	and doing his little toes and dancing and looking like James,	模仿詹姆斯跳舞
[27:38]	if James were a wind-up toy.	像个詹姆斯发条娃娃似的
[27:40]	And it was amazing.	太不可思议了
[27:42]	He would perform and do the moves and routine that everyone else was doing.	他会模仿所有流行的舞步
[27:46]	He used to do Fred Astaire and James Cagney.	以前还会学佛雷·亚斯坦与詹姆斯·贾克内
[27:51]	Then all of a sudden, he would add a little bit of something in there, different.	然后突然就会加入一点不一样的创意
[27:54]	And that was him feeling what he was doing.	那是他对舞步的感受
[27:58]	He excited me. I saw all of this in him.	他令我满心期待 我在他身上看到了这些天赋
[28:01]	l saw things that he could do that l couldn’t.	看到了我所没有的才能
[28:04]	He had the makings of a great singer.	他有当歌手的天赋
[28:07]	Michael had universal appeal back when he was real young.	迈克尔在很小时就很有舞台魅力
[28:11]	l mean, we weren’t really into marketing or anything like that,	那时还没有所谓的营销
[28:14]	but it was already there.	但他已经具备那条件
[28:16]	l think the word for it, the phraseology, would be,	我想更贴切的说法是
[28:19]	‘A diamond in the rough, ‘ without very many edges to buff off.	一块璞玉 而且需要磨掉的棱角不多
[28:28]	With the rest of the brothers, now,	其他的兄弟们
[28:30]	Jermaine stuttered.	杰曼有点口吃
[28:32]	And he always thought that if he stuttered When he tallked,	他总是认为若说话会口吃
[28:35]	that he would do it when he sang.	唱歌也一定会
[28:37]	so l had to push Jermaine more than l had to push anyone else.	我逼杰曼算是逼得最紧的
[28:40]	And that’s all l used, Jermaine, Michael and Jackie.	我只教他们 杰曼 迈克尔与杰基
[28:45]	l did not use Marllon, did not use Tito.	马龙与蒂托我没有采用
[28:47]	They couldn’t sing, right?	他们不会唱歌
[28:49]	And l told them. ‘learn. listen and learn. ‘	我告诉他们 学习 仔细听 认真学
[28:52]	The complete group was not just those five boys.	完整的团并不只是这五个孩子
[28:56]	The complete group had two other ones with them,	还有另外两个人
[28:59]	one was Johnny Jackson, the drummer,	鼓手约翰·杰克逊
[29:01]	one was Ronnie Rancifer, the pianist,	还有琴键手罗尼·兰斯福
[29:04]	which made the music for the group.	写歌也是由他负责
[29:07]	Without them, there wouldn’t have been this Jackson 5.	少了他们就没有所谓的杰克逊五人组
[29:12]	Every producer has their own method to the madness,	每名制作人都有他自己特异的风格
[29:15]	and Bobby’s was pretry cool.	鲍比还满酷的
[29:17]	He had the old-school roughness on that, you know.	他有种老派的粗旷
[29:20]	You have to have a certain kind of roughness,	一定要有这种粗旷感
[29:22]	a certain kind of discipline.	这种自律性
[29:24]	He felt Michael had something so special, and he told that to him.	他认为迈克尔非常的特别 也这么告知他
[29:30]	But he said,	但他说
[29:31]	‘Do not think just me telling you makes it happen.	不要以为我这么说你就会成功
[29:36]	‘lt does not.	不是这样的
[29:39]	‘You’ve gotta work and continue to work for what you achieve.	你的成就都必须要靠自己的努力
[29:44]	‘lt will never be easy. ‘	这条路不好走
[29:46]	He wasn’t always patient.	他不是次次都很有耐性
[29:49]	He wasn’t always saying things that you wanna hear,	也不会总是说好听的话
[29:52]	or saying it right.	或是很得体的话
[29:54]	But what he said and what he was doing was just trying to make them stars.	但他的所作所为 都是为了要造就巨星
[30:00]	Our last day at the Regal Theater	我们在理格剧院的最后一天
[30:05]	is when l went to Joe, l said,	我跟乔说
[30:07]	‘say now, why don’t you let me put these kids at Motown? ‘	不如你让我把这群孩子们 签到摩城吧
[30:13]	And Joe said those words to me, ‘Man, l thought you’d never ask. ‘	乔这么回答我 老兄 我等的就是你这句话
[30:22]	We were in New York City.	我们当时在纽约
[30:24]	And we had just finished performing with James Brown.	才刚结束与詹姆斯·布郎的演出
[30:28]	We were opening up for him.	我们帮他开场
[30:31]	Bobby Taylor had been begging Berry to check us out.	鲍比·泰勒一直恳求贝瑞来观赏
[30:34]	And he wouldn’t do it because he had another kid on his label.	他一直不愿意 因为他旗下还有另一名歌手
[30:34]	Berry Gordy – FOUNDER, MOTOWN RECORD CORPORATlON	贝瑞·戈迪(摩城唱片企业创办人)
[30:39]	And he was catching a lot of flak from the state	州政府一直找他麻烦
[30:43]	about working this kid who’s underage.	因为这孩子还未成年
[30:47]	Berry would say, ‘l never wanna have anything to do with kids in this business.	贝瑞说 我在这行 再也不想跟儿童扯上边
[30:52]	‘lt’s too much problems.	太麻烦了
[30:53]	‘l can’t even handle one. What am l gonna do with five? ‘	我连一个都搞不定了 更何况是五个
[30:57]	And the one kid was little stevie Wonder.	那个孩子就是史提夫·旺达
[31:01]	l drove Michael, Marlon,	我开车载着迈克尔 马龙
[31:05]	Tommy Chong, who was in my band, from Cheech and Chong,	我团里的汤米 也就是Cheech and Chong
[31:08]	from Chicago to Detroit.	从芝加哥一路开到底特律
[31:11]	l take Michael directly to Motown.	直接带迈克尔去摩城
[31:14]	so l said, ‘Berry, l’ve got these kids here	我说 贝瑞 我这有一群孩子
[31:17]	‘and they’re number one coming out of the block. ‘	一上场就大受欢迎
[31:20]	l said, ‘The lead singer’s eight.	我说 主唱8岁
[31:23]	“He can out-dance anybody you ever saw.	却是个舞棍
[31:26]	“Jackie Willson, James BroWn.	比杰基·威尔逊与詹姆斯·布郎还强
[31:27]	‘lf you close your eyes and listen to him after l finish teaching him,	你只要闭上眼听他唱歌 等我训练完他后
[31:33]	‘the best singer you ever heard in your life. ‘	一定是你此生听过最棒的歌手
[31:34]	lt was not easy to get a children’s group signed to Motown.	儿童乐团要进摩城不是件易事
[31:41]	And Bobby Taylor knew that when he called Berry	鲍比·泰勒很清楚 当他打给贝瑞
[31:46]	and said, ‘l’ve got something so special, you gotta see it, ‘	并说 我挖到宝了 你一定要来看看
[31:51]	that Berry would jump once he did.	贝瑞看完一定会答应
[31:53]	Because he would not have taken them to Berry to waste his time.	不然他不会去浪费贝瑞的时间
[31:59]	The next morning, Berry Gordy called me from Los Angeles, and he says,	第二天早上贝瑞·戈迪从洛杉矶打给我说
[32:06]	“l want you to bring them out here.”	带他们过来
[32:10]	That’s how they got to Motown.	他们就这样进了摩城
[32:18]	Going to California, the happiest day of my life.	去加州真是我一生中最快乐的一天
[32:24]	Joseph had promised me that one day we would go to California.	约瑟夫早就答应过我 有天要带我们去加州
[32:29]	l’d tell him, ‘No, ‘ l said, ‘Your promise came true,	我告诉他 不 你的承诺是兑现了
[32:32]	‘but you didn’t bring me there, the children did. ‘	但不是你带我来的 是孩子们
[32:39]	Berry Gordy was having a party for Diana Ross.	贝瑞·戈迪正在为黛安娜·罗丝办派对
[32:42]	lt was her birthday.	刚好是她生日
[32:44]	so he asked us to perform at this party for Diana,	他要我们在黛安娜的生日会上演出
[32:48]	and of course we did.	我们当然答应了
[32:50]	And at that party was, like, the Temptations, Smokey, the VandeIIas,	派对宴客有诱惑合唱团 史摩基 范达拉
[32:55]	the supremes, Four Tops.	至上女声三重唱 四顶尖
[32:58]	And here we are performing their songs to them.	我们却在场唱他们的歌 给他们听
[33:01]	so we was quite nervous.	非常的紧张
[33:03]	Dionne Warwick SlNGER	狄昂·华薇克(歌手)
[33:03]	l first met Michael, he was, l think he was 10 years old.	我第一次遇到迈克尔时 他应该才十岁吧
[33:09]	He was flown out with his brothers	跟他的兄长一起飞来
[33:11]	to sing for Berry Gordy, Jr.	为小贝瑞·戈迪演出
[33:14]	Berry had invited a bunch of people up to his home.	贝瑞请了许多人来家里
[33:18]	This little bitry thing came in and he sat down next to me	这小不点跑来坐在我旁边
[33:23]	and he looked at me and he says, ‘And who are you? ‘	看着我问 你是谁啊?
[33:26]	l said, “l’m Dionne Warwick. Who are you?”	我回 我是狄昂·华薇克 那你又是谁啊?
[33:29]	“l’m Michael Jackson.”	我是迈克尔·杰克逊
[33:31]	l said, ‘Nice to know you, Michael Jackson.	我说 迈克尔·杰克逊 幸会
[33:34]	And what do you do, Michael Jackson? ‘	你是做什么的 迈克尔·杰克逊?
[33:36]	He says, ‘Oh, l sing. ‘	他说 噢 我唱歌啊
[33:39]	l said, ‘You sing? Can you sing? ‘	我问 唱歌? 你会唱歌吗?
[33:43]	He said, ‘Yes, l can sing. ‘	他回我 会 我会唱歌
[33:46]	l mean, little feisty, beautiful young boy.	一个有冲劲又漂亮的小男孩
[33:49]	l said, ‘Well, that’s what we’re here for.	我说 我们就是为了这个来的
[33:51]	We’re gonna see if you can sing. ‘	我们来看你们会不会唱歌
[34:01]	Watching them perform was excitement.	看他们演出真的很刺激
[34:02]	Brenda Holloway ARTlST, MOTOWN RECORDS	布伦达·霍洛维(摩城唱片歌手)
[34:04]	Everyone in the group was an individual.	每个团员都很有个人特色
[34:10]	And l feel that every one of them could have gone on their own.	我觉得他们每一个都有单飞的潜力
[34:13]	But Michael was the star.	但迈克尔是目光的焦点
[34:22]	They came in and they sang a few songs.	他们来唱了几首歌
[34:26]	They sang a couple songs by James Brown, you know,	几首詹姆斯·布郎的歌
[34:28]	Smokey Robinson ARTlST, MOTOWN RECORDS	史摩基·罗宾逊(摩城唱片歌手)
[34:29]	and Michael did the James Brown dances, and he really did them.	迈克尔模仿了詹姆斯·布郎的舞步 跳得非常好
[34:35]	He’s 1 0 years old and he was dancing like he was about 30.	他才不过是个十岁的孩子 却跳得像30岁的成人般
[34:39]	How in the world could this little boy, and he was a kid,	这个小男孩
[34:44]	be so talented?	怎么会这么有才华?
[34:45]	That’s what everybody went away talking about.	所有人最后都抱着这个疑问离开
[34:53]	l think all of us Motown artists were astonished	我想在场所有的摩城歌手都很震惊
[34:53]	Kim Weston ARTlST, MOTOWN RECORDS	金·韦斯顿(摩城唱片歌手)
[34:57]	because here’s a kid that, you know, seemed to have no fear.	这孩子一点都不怯场
[35:01]	You know, when the music hit, he was ready, you know,	音乐一响起 他就准备好了
[35:05]	or ready before the music hit.	甚至在音乐响起前
[35:08]	He said, ‘l want you to know something, too. ‘	他说 我也有件事跟你说
[35:10]	l said, ‘What’s that? ‘	我问 什么事?
[35:11]	‘You sang a song about my name, Michael. ‘	你曾唱过一首跟我名字有关的歌 迈克尔
[35:15]	l said, ‘Yeah. You think that song was for you? ‘	我说 是啊 你认为这首歌是唱给你的吗?
[35:20]	He said, ‘Wasn’t it? ‘	他说 不是吗?
[35:24]	He was an adorable child. lt was a wonderful meeting.	他是个可爱的孩子 那次的碰面很温馨
[35:29]	They loved it. They enjoyed it.	他们都很爱 都很享受
[35:31]	That was our audition.	那就是我们的试唱
[35:34]	so l’m vety proud of that moment in our life.	那一刻让我感到很骄傲
[35:42]	There was another world about to open	另外一个世界即将开启
[35:45]	and he was ready to delve into it.	他早已准备好一脚踏入
[35:48]	Marvin Gaye	马文
[35:49]	Junior Walker	小沃克
[35:49]	When you went to Motown, it was… Everyone was there.	摩城唱片 所有人都在那
[35:52]	The Isley Brothers	艾斯礼兄弟
[35:54]	lt was like Disneyland.	就像迪斯尼乐园一般
[35:54]	Kim Weston	金·韦斯顿
[35:55]	Edwin Starr	艾德温·斯达
[35:56]	Jimmy Ruffin	吉米·洛芬
[35:57]	You saw smokey, you saw Mary, you saw Diana Ross.	看到史摩基 玛莉 黛安娜·罗丝
[36:01]	But everybody was trying to perfect their artistry.	所有人都精益求精
[36:05]	The feeling at Motown was it was a family, a musical family.	摩城就像是个大家族 一个音乐家族
[36:05]	Valerie Simpson & Nickolas Ashford	瓦勒莉·辛普森与尼克·阿什福德
[36:08]	And we all were a part of excellence and greatness, musical greatness.	我们都是这伟大音乐的一分子
[36:14]	And we so were fans of each other’s work,	我们也都很欣赏彼此的作品
[36:17]	so that when we saw each other, it was just instant love.	大家一见面就一见如故
[36:20]	We got, ‘We knew what you were doing. I heard what you’re working on. ‘	我们知道你的作品 我听说了你的作品
[36:24]	And it just… We kept pushing each other.	就这样…一直督促着彼此
[36:27]	Russell Thompkins, Jr. lEAD SlNGER, ‘THE STYllSTlCS’	小罗素·汤普金斯(文学体合唱团主唱)
[36:27]	When you start working with the best in the business	跟这行的顶尖人士共事
[36:30]	that are teaching you how to dance, how to play this	教你如何跳舞 如何弹奏乐器
[36:32]	and teaching you how to sing this, putting you at the piano,	教你如何唱歌 要你弹钢琴
[36:36]	vocal coaches, dancing coaches, people who teach you how to talk.	歌唱教练 舞蹈教练 还有人教你怎么说话
[36:40]	When you work with that from the time that you’re a young man,	若你自小就接触这些
[36:44]	you grow up with so much influence.	在这样的熏陶下长大
[36:47]	so it Wasn’t just the fact that Michael Jackson	所以迈克尔·杰克逊的才能 不完全是天生的
[36:49]	was born with so much great talent. He always had it around him.	而是他身边也一直围绕着有才华的人
[36:58]	Jimmy Ruffin ARTlST, MOTOWN RECORDS	吉米·洛芬(摩城唱片歌手)
[36:58]	Michael Jackson studied all the artists, all the great artists.	迈克尔·杰克逊认真研究了所有的巨星
[37:04]	He studied me, he studied Marvin Gaye, he studied Stevie Wonder.	他研究我 研究马文 还有史提夫·汪达
[37:07]	He studied everybody.	研究所有的人
[37:08]	We were the best in the country at the time.	我们当时可是全国的顶尖人物
[37:18]	The first time l saw them perform was in san Francisco	我第一次看到他们演出是在旧金山
[37:22]	and l was like, ‘Wow. ‘	我心想 哗
[37:23]	lt was like, ‘There’s nobody that good. ‘	心想 怎么可能这么棒
[37:31]	Berry Gordy was like, ‘Keep your cards close to your chest.	贝瑞·戈迪说 不要露馅
[37:35]	‘Don’t let people know what you’re thinking.	别让人知道你在想什么
[37:38]	‘Don’t let the artists know how much people like ’em. ‘	别让歌手知道他们有多受欢迎
[37:42]	He was a shrewd guy.	他是个很机灵的人
[37:46]	Berry looked after every aspect of an artist’s career.	贝瑞会考虑一个歌手生涯的每一个部份
[37:51]	Now, some may complain today that they didn’t get paid enough royalties	有些人现在可能会抱怨版税抽成不够高
[37:56]	and they never received a lot of their publishing.	或是很多版税根本没抽到
[38:00]	But l’ll tell you something.	但我得说
[38:02]	Berry Gordy made these artists.	是贝瑞·戈迪造就了那些歌手
[38:06]	Everybody, l think, had different relationships with Berry.	每个人与贝瑞的关系都不太一样
[38:06]	Abdul ‘Duke’ Fakir ARTlST, ‘THE FOUR TOPS’	艾布杜尔·公爵·法基尔(四顶尖团员)
[38:08]	We had a great relationship with Berry and we still do.	我们跟贝瑞关系很好 现在依旧是
[38:12]	He gave us… He promised us things that he made come true,	他给了我们…他承诺我们的都兑现了
[38:16]	that he couldn’t put in the contract. But he promised them and kept his word.	有些并没有写在合约内 但他都达成了
[38:21]	What he saw in the Jackson 5 was a children’s group that could transcend	当他看到杰克逊五人组这个儿童团体
[38:28]	every age group. And he nurtured their talents.	可以跨越各年龄层 他培养了他们的才能
[38:33]	He knew he had something special.	他知道自己找到了千里马
[38:35]	l made him sit in while l was doing the music	我帮他们写歌时
[38:40]	that they had to work with.	要他坐在旁边
[38:42]	They were with me 20 hours a day.	他们每天跟我相处20个小时
[38:46]	Being attentive, if l saw somebody sleeping,	一定要专心 若被我抓到有人睡着
[38:49]	then l would send them back to the house	我就会踢他们回屋去
[38:52]	and tell them, ‘l don’t wanna see you for a week. ‘	然后说 一个礼拜都别让我看到
[38:54]	They worked hard, they really worked hard.	他们很努力 真的很努力
[38:58]	Michael now would stay over at Diana Ross’s house and rehearse.	迈克尔有时会住在黛安娜·罗丝家排演
[39:03]	He really liked Diana Ross and she liked him.	他很喜欢黛安娜·罗丝 她也很喜欢他
[39:06]	Diana Ross was showing him off.	黛安娜·罗丝老是带他出去炫耀
[39:09]	she just like… she was the one that discovered him	她一副… 好像他是她发掘的一般
[39:12]	and later on l found out that Bobby Taylor actually discovered him.	我后来才知道 原来发掘他的是鲍比·泰勒
[39:19]	l think We Were just kids.	我们那时只是孩子
[39:20]	We didn’t realise all the great accomplishments	我们跟本不明白
[39:24]	that we had achieved.	自己的成就
[39:26]	seeing Hollywood and playing with Diana Ross. I mean, we were in heaven.	能去好莱坞为黛安娜·罗丝表演 简直就是天堂
[39:31]	Just those things alone was priceless to us.	光是这些就已经是无价的了
[39:35]	Michael told me when he came to LA,	迈克尔跟我说他来洛杉矶时
[39:38]	it was like his whole world had changed.	整个世界都变了
[39:41]	He could buy as much candy as he wanted because nobody would say no to him.	他爱买多少糖果都可以 因为没有人会制止他
[39:53]	Michael and l went to see the Four Tops,	迈克尔与我去看四顶尖演唱
[39:56]	it was around 1971 or ’72.	应该是1971还是1972年
[40:06]	Michael and David just came to the dressing room	迈克尔与戴维到更衣间来
[40:08]	and in the dressing room was also Stevie Wonder.	当时史提夫·汪达也在场
[40:11]	l said to levi stubbs, “You’re brilliant. l love your voice.”	我跟利瓦伊·史塔布斯说 你太棒了 我好爱你的歌声
[40:15]	And Michael looked at him and said, ‘l learned everything from you. ‘	迈克尔对他说 我都是学你的
[40:19]	And he was cut off. stevie said, ‘What? ‘	他说到一半就被打断了 史提夫说 什么?
[40:22]	And he grabbed Michael and flung him up against the wall…	接着就抓着迈克尔往墙上一顶…
[40:25]	And said, ‘You learned everything from who? ‘	然后问 你刚说你都跟谁学?
[40:28]	And he goes, ‘You, stevie, you. ‘	他回答 跟你 史提夫 你啊
[40:30]	lt was so funny. lt was so funny.	好好笑 太好笑了
[40:33]	levi and l, we never forgot that.	我跟利瓦伊一直都记得那幕
[40:37]	Bobby Taylor and l would take Michael to the golf course with us.	贝瑞·戈迪与我会带迈克尔去高尔夫球场
[40:40]	He had never even picked up a golf club in his life.	他这辈子从没握过高球杆
[40:44]	Yet, he was our greatest golf critic.	但却很会评论我们的球技
[40:47]	‘Well, smokey, you know, you hit your ball over in the woods	史摩基 你的球会打到树林里
[40:49]	‘because you didn’t have your foot standing right here… ‘	是因为你的脚没踏在这…
[40:53]	‘Bobby, see, your club was not, you know… ‘	鲍比 你的球杆不…
[40:55]	He’s gonna tell us why we had a bad shot.	他想要告诉我们那球为何没打好
[41:00]	But it was fun. He was a great, fun kid.	但还是很有趣 他是个很好玩的孩子
[41:06]	The first time l heard l Want You Back in the studio,	我第一次在录音室听到l Want You Back时
[41:09]	l noticed a different kind of brightness to the movement,	我注意到有种不同的轻快感
[41:14]	other than normal Motown brightness.	跟以往摩城的轻快不一样
[41:17]	lt was going in a different direction,	方向有点变动
[41:20]	which was good because Motown’s sound was diversified.	其实是好事 因为摩城的音乐很多元化
[41:23]	When you listened to l Want You Back, you knew Berry had a knack to get	听着l Want You Back 就知道贝瑞
[41:28]	the best commercial record out of these kids	很擅长制作脍炙人口的歌
[41:32]	and make them a worldwide success.	并将他们的事业推向高峰
[41:42]	When my sister and my mom first heard our first hit record, l Want You Back,	我妹跟妈妈首次听到我们第一首主打l Want You Back时
[41:47]	my father had sent it over, they didn’t care for it.	我爸寄去给她们听的 她们并不是很喜欢
[41:51]	l didn’t like it at all.	我一点都不喜欢
[41:52]	Because the songs that the children sang	因为孩子们唱的歌
[41:55]	was more like the, l should say, soul music.	我觉得比较接近灵魂音乐
[41:59]	And to me, l Want You Back didn’t sound that way.	l Want You Back对我来说 并不是那类型的音乐
[42:03]	All the songs that was out then sound so different,	当时所有市面上的歌听来都很不一样
[42:07]	so l guess Berry wanted to bring out a different style.	我想贝瑞是想要创造另一种风格
[42:09]	little did they know it was a very big song, number one.	她们都没料到那首歌 竟然冲上第一名
[42:24]	lt was just an unbelievable track.	很不可思议的一首歌
[42:26]	lt just came out of the radio like lightning.	一播出就造成轰动
[42:30]	Oh, them Jackson 5, that is a kickin’ group.	杰克逊五人组真是了不得的团体
[42:35]	‘Wow, that’s them? ‘ And l had to get used to the song	是他们吗? 我花了些时间才习惯
[42:40]	because even though it was a very big hit,	虽然那首歌红翻了天
[42:44]	your brothers singing on a record, on vinyl, and you hearing it	收听自己兄弟的黑胶唱片
[42:48]	is something totally different.	感觉还是很不一样
[42:50]	We just don’t have songs that come and go,	我们的歌不是只红极一时
[42:52]	we have songs that’ll be around all the time.	而是持续的有人喜爱
[42:55]	like, you’ll hear ’em on the FM cllassicall stations,	在古典乐广播电台也会播放
[42:58]	by the Philharmonic Orchestra, things like that.	由交响乐团演奏之类的
[43:01]	so it’s just not What people call it, kiddie rock. lt’s not that.	不只是所谓的小孩子摇滚乐 完全不是
[43:06]	And a million sellers, a million selling.	卖了上百万张
[43:08]	lt was difficult to believe that they were Motown artists,	很难想象他们是摩城旗下的歌手
[43:14]	because they were just kids.	因为他们只是孩子
[43:16]	lt was as if they had some kind of stardust rub off on them	彷佛突然受到青睐
[43:19]	because, you know, they were becoming close to Berry Gordy,	他们跟贝瑞热络起来
[43:23]	Diana Ross, and to all of my idols.	还有黛安娜·罗丝 所有我的偶像
[43:31]	When l wrote Who’s lovin’ You, l was, you know, in my early 20s.	我写Who’s Lovin’ You时才20出头
[43:45]	But at least, at that point, l had had a chance to experience	但至少那时我已经算是有一些
[43:49]	some life and some love.	人生历练了
[43:51]	l was married. l got married when l was 19.	我已经结婚了 我19岁就结婚了
[43:55]	The subject matter of the song is like a person	歌曲主题是一个人
[43:59]	who has somebody who really loves them.	拥有别人的爱
[44:03]	And yet they don’t appreciate it. They do the person wrong.	但那个人却不懂得珍惜 还对不起对方
[44:06]	The first time l heard smokey’s Who’s lovin’ You,	我第一次听到史摩基的 Who’s Lovin’ You时
[44:08]	my assistant was playing it and it’s one of those,	我的助理放给我听的 那首歌的感觉
[44:11]	oh, party, red-light, basement-type, you know, up on it.	有种荒唐靡烂的氛围
[44:20]	But when Michael got ahold to it,	但迈克尔听到后
[44:22]	and Bobby Taylor infused him up with that funk,	鲍比·泰勒又对他灌输了情感与节奏的唱法
[44:26]	man, Michael put that soul in that song so deep, it was soulful.	迈克尔将那首歌诠释出很深沉的情感 富有灵魂
[44:48]	How could he possibly know what that song meant?	他怎么可能了解那歌中的含意?
[44:52]	He sang it like he had written it.	他唱得好像是自己写的歌一般
[44:56]	l sing Who’s lovin’ You, orpart ofit, in my live concerts	我曾在演唱会上演唱Who’s Lovin’ You
[45:01]	and many times, young people have come up to me after the concert and said,	许多时候 演唱会结束后 都会有些年轻人跟我说
[45:04]	‘Oh, l didn’t know you sang Michael Jackson’s song. ‘	我不知道你会唱迈克尔·杰克逊的歌
[45:14]	A kid, 11 years old, singing that song with that much emotion? It was incredible.	一个11岁的孩子 以那种情感唱出这首歌? 不可思议
[45:19]	Unbelievable.	太不可思议了
[45:35]	He seemed as if he was an old soul,	他体内彷佛住了一个老灵魂
[45:37]	that he could take a song like Who’s lovin’ You	可以将Who’s Lovin’ You这种歌
[45:41]	and he could actually interpret those lyrics	当中的歌词诠释地那么到位
[45:45]	in a way that made you believe	让你真心相信
[45:47]	that he had those experiences, when actually he was 10 years old.	他曾经有过类似经历 可是他才十岁
[45:51]	lf you didn’t know he was a kid, you’d have thought he was an old man.	若不知道他是个孩子 还真以为是个老头子呢
[45:56]	But he was singing it from his heart.	但他是发自内心的演唱
[45:58]	You know, Michael’s life was kind of paradoxical to me,	我觉得迈克尔的一生中有许多的矛盾
[46:00]	because when he was a child, he was a man.	因为他是个孩子时又像男人
[46:04]	so when he was a man, he got the chance to be a child and he took it.	但当他成年后有时却像个孩子
[46:19]	He had a way of interpreting a lyric, even as a very young boy,	他从年纪很小时就很懂得诠释歌词
[46:25]	that made you believe the song.	让你相信歌中的内容
[46:41]	He knew how to perform.	他很善于表演
[46:43]	This was, l think, something that Berry Gordy really liked about Michael	我想这也是贝瑞·戈迪很欣赏迈克尔的一点
[46:46]	because, not only was he a great vocal talent,	因为他不光是有副好嗓子
[46:49]	but he was a great performer.	他还是个杰出的表演者
[46:50]	Watching him, as a kid, be so comfortable performing	看他年纪小小就能在台上神态自若
[46:51]	Peabo Bryson SlNGER	皮波·布莱森(歌手)
[46:54]	probably helped me become a better performer, actually.	或许帮助我也成为一个更好的表演者
[46:59]	His voice was nearly as high as stevie Wonder’s.	他的声线几乎与史提夫·汪达一样高
[47:03]	l met stevie when he was eight years old	我认识史提夫时他也才八岁
[47:05]	and l said, ‘Here’s another little youngster who’s far beyond his age, talent-wise,	我说 又一个拥有超龄表演天份的小子
[47:11]	‘but able to sing adult songs in perfect-pitched voices,	可以一音不差地演唱大人的歌曲
[47:16]	‘real high voices that hadn’t changed yet. ‘	高亢而还未变嗓的声音
[47:27]	His voice and his expressions and his…	他的歌声 表情与他的…
[47:31]	…charisma start taking these songs over.	…魅力驾驭了这些歌曲
[47:36]	like, if smokey felt like he did his song	若史摩基觉得由他唱
[47:40]	and more people like the way Michael did it than him,	或是更多人认为迈克尔的诠释比他还好
[47:43]	that’s because he did that with all of his songs at that time.	那也是因为他对每首歌都是这么投入
[47:51]	No matter who it was, the O’Jays, the Dells,	不管是谁的歌 欧杰斯 戴尔斯
[47:54]	the Whispers or the Beatles,	呢喃乐团或是披头士
[47:58]	we wanted to be the best.	我们都想唱到最好
[47:59]	And that’s what we were striving for.	那是我们的目标
[48:05]	Berry Gordy did not like the stuff that Bobby Taylor was recording on them.	贝瑞·戈迪不喜欢当时鲍比·泰勒为他们录制的曲子
[48:12]	l wanted to do the boys a certain way, but he wanted me to do ’em his way.	我想要某种定位 但他对他们的想法不同
[48:19]	And l says, ‘l can’t do ’em the way you want me to do ’em.	我说 我没办法照你的想法去定位他们
[48:23]	‘l must have my own head. ‘	我必须要遵从自己的想法
[48:25]	so he says, “Okay, We’re going back to Detroit.”	他回我 好 那你回底特律吧
[48:27]	Then he took over.	然后他自己接手
[48:29]	Berry Gordy, in turn, put his crew together.	贝瑞·戈迪自己招集了人马
[48:34]	The Corporation was established to bring fresh new material	成立了企业 好寻找新鲜的题材
[48:39]	to the Jackson 5.	加诸在杰克逊五人组上
[48:41]	Youthful material.	有青春活力的东西
[48:43]	l think he probably felt that Bobby Taylor would	我想他应该是觉得鲍比·泰勒
[48:50]	give them more adult material and forget that they were children.	替他们收的歌都太老成了 忘了他们还是孩子
[48:55]	He saw gazillions, right?	他看到了金矿 对吗?
[48:59]	Then he took over.	然后自己接收
[49:00]	Bobby Taylor did never get the recognition he should have gotten	鲍比·泰勒一直没有得到 他培养他们
[49:06]	for working with them,	该得到的报偿
[49:09]	from the group or the public.	不论是从团体本身或是大众
[49:13]	Bobby Taylor produced 10 songs on the album ‘Diana Ross Presents The Jackson 5’	鲍比·泰勒在黛安娜·罗丝介绍杰克逊五人组专辑中制作十首歌
[49:20]	During 1 969-70 the Jackson 5 released 4 number one singles in a row.	杰克逊五人组在1969-70年间 发行了四首冠军单曲
[49:33]	The Corporation, is what they called themselves,	他们称自己为企业
[49:34]	they topped themselves with those early songs by the Jackson 5,	并超越了杰克逊五人组早年的那些畅销曲
[49:39]	they were absolutely incredible.	真的非常厉害
[49:41]	Absolutely incredible.	非常厉害
[49:43]	When my boys had five gold records in a row,	我的孩子们连拿了五张金唱片
[49:49]	l was very proud of them because l know it was something that they wanted	我很骄傲 因为我知道那是他们所想要的
[49:53]	and it was their dream.	是他们的梦想
[49:56]	And they were happy and l was happy.	他们很开心 我也很开心
[49:59]	The whole family was happy about that.	全家都为此而感到开心
[50:06]	We did a show once for Jesse Jackson.	我们有次为杰西·杰克逊表演
[50:07]	Dennis Edwards lEAD SlNGER, ‘THE TEMPTATlONS’	丹尼斯·爱德华(诱惑合唱团主唱)
[50:09]	You know, Jesse Jackson, he’s the activist.	杰西·杰克逊是个激进主义分子
[50:12]	He’s got an organisation called PUSH Expo.	他成立了一个组织名叫PUSH Expo
[50:15]	He booked the Temptations and the Jackson 5.	邀约了诱惑合唱团 以及杰克逊五人组
[50:18]	They were just up and coming.	他们那时才刚开始走红
[50:19]	We were superstars at that time and, oh, man, it was so many people.	我们当时已经是巨星了 那天人真是多到爆
[50:27]	When they did that show,	他们一上台演出
[50:30]	the Temptations got a great response.	诱惑合唱团的反应很好
[50:35]	When the Jackson 5 came on, it was phenomenal.	但杰克逊五人组上台更是青出于蓝
[50:39]	l mean, almost blew the roof off the place.	全场简直疯狂
[50:45]	They couldn’t get us to our limos.	我们连上车都很困难
[50:47]	They had to back up an armoured car, a Brink’s car.	最后还开了辆装甲车来护驾
[50:51]	lt’s like a moment in history.	简直是历史性的一刻
[50:54]	That’s when they finally made it with the black R&B public.	他们那时才真正受到非裔R&B歌迷的肯定
[51:00]	They were just ripe for stardom.	正要大红大紫
[51:05]	On the stage, he was a different guy.	他一上台就像变了一个人
[51:11]	He was really as much of an actor in so many ways as he was a singer.	他的演技与歌唱技巧一样杰出
[51:16]	A lot ofpeople always come up to a lot of us and say	很多人都跟我们说
[51:19]	it’s like two different people.	判若两人
[51:21]	On stage and off stage.	在台上与台下
[51:23]	When we was talking, he’s shy and, you know, very soft spoken.	我们聊天时他很腼腆 讲话很柔
[51:28]	But just when he jumped on that stage, he’s like…	但一跳上台 他就…
[51:41]	Well, l mean, he was a different person	完全是另一个人
[51:44]	and l’ve never seen that in another artist’s life.	我这辈子从未遇过另一个这样的歌手
[51:49]	He was like two guys.	他就像是两个不同的人
[51:50]	Anything he felt that he wanted to do, he would do it on stage.	他想要做什么就在舞台上发挥
[52:07]	The moment he came off of the stage,	但一踏下舞台
[52:10]	he was back to the little boy he was before he went on stage.	他就变回了上舞台前的那个小男孩
[52:22]	When l get on stage, l really, totally do. That’s with a lot of performers.	我一上台就放情地去做 很多表演者都是如此
[52:26]	l’ve llearned that about comedians, too.	许多喜剧演员也是这样
[52:28]	lt’s like when l worked with Richard Ptyor in The Wiz.	就像我在《新绿野仙踪》中 所合作的李蔡·普瑞尔
[52:31]	A lot of people think he’s the funniest guy to be around 24 hours.	很多人都以为他全天候都很搞笑
[52:34]	That’s not true. He’s really shy and quiet.	其实不然 他本人很害羞也很安静
[52:37]	We were all like that, too.	我们都有点这样
[52:39]	singing or dancing in front of, like, one person, can’t do it.	没办法在一个人面前唱歌或跳舞
[52:43]	But, like, it’s 30,000, you feel so free, so much easier.	但是在三万人面前 就可以很自由 也容易多了
[52:47]	lt’s hard to explain.	这很难解释
[52:56]	What motivates Michael Jackson?	迈克尔·杰克逊的动力为何?
[53:00]	That was an audience.	观众
[53:02]	Think about it.	仔细想想
[53:04]	He’s shy, he won’t look at you, right?	他很害羞 都不敢直视你 对吗?
[53:09]	On stage, What is he?	但是在台上呢?
[53:17]	He owns it.	完全在他掌控之中
[53:19]	so if l had people looking at him,	我若找人来看他
[53:22]	l used to bring five, six girls every time, right?	我通常都会找五六个女孩子来
[53:25]	And l’d say, ‘Michael, look at that girl, man. They think you’re cute. ‘	我跟他说 迈克尔 你看那女孩 她们觉得你很可爱耶
[53:28]	Michael’d say, ‘Dang, Bobby, they said that? ‘	迈克尔就会说 鲍比 她们真的这么说吗?
[53:32]	l said, ‘You better go out there and sing now, son. ‘	我说 你赶快出去唱首歌吧
[53:44]	l said, ‘You go out there and you mess up now, ‘ l said,	我说 你待会要是唱错
[53:48]	‘They’re gonna tell all the rest of the girls out there.	她们一定会去跟外面其他的女生说的
[53:50]	‘You’re gonna be one ugly little boy everywhere you go. ‘	那你不管走到哪都成了丑男了
[54:01]	He used to go out and do one take.	他以前上台都一次搞定
[54:09]	When we were on the road, Michael would worry you to death.	我们巡回时 迈克尔很让人担心
[54:15]	l hear somebody knocking on my door and say,	我听到有人敲我的门说
[54:16]	‘Hey, man, what’s wrong? ‘ ‘Oh, man, what you doing? I wanna come in. ‘	怎么了啊? 你在干嘛? 我要进来
[54:21]	so l’d let him in. l’d say,	我放他进来后问他
[54:22]	‘Man, why don’t you hang out with Jackie and them guys? ‘	你怎么不跟杰基他们一起呢?
[54:26]	“Hey, man, they got somebody in their room.”	他们带人回房里
[54:30]	l said, “Well, how do you know?”	我问 你怎么知道?
[54:32]	He said, “‘Cause l Was listening to the door for about an hour.”	他回 因为我在门外偷听一个小时
[54:39]	He was like a little boy, l mean, he…	他就像个小男孩 我是指…
[54:41]	l said, ‘What were they doing? ‘	我问 那他们在干嘛?
[54:42]	He said, ‘They were talking, but they won’t let me in. ‘	他说 他们在聊天 但是不让我进去
[54:45]	They were like little kids and they were very, very happy	他们就像是一群小孩子 而且很快乐
[54:51]	and very carefree.	无忧无虑
[54:53]	Michael loved being Michael Jackson at that age.	迈克尔当时很享受在台上当迈克尔·杰克逊
[54:57]	He loved touring, he loved recording at Motown.	他很喜欢巡回演出 也很爱在摩城录音
[55:00]	He loved his fans, he loved performing.	很爱他的粉丝 也热爱表演
[55:04]	They had dirt bikes and they used to go on saturday mornings.	他们以前每周六都会去骑越野摩托车
[55:09]	They’d go to a place where they could ride them,	去一个骑车的地方
[55:12]	and Michael used to tear that thing up.	迈克尔就骑着车四处乱窜
[55:15]	Man, he was flying up and down over the hills.	在山坡上冲来冲去
[55:19]	l thought it was, you know, he was like any other little boy.	就像平常的小男孩一般
[55:23]	But he was a little boy with a dirt bike.	但他是个拥有越野摩托车的小男孩
[55:26]	l mean, they had two or three of ’em.	他们买了两 三辆
[55:28]	so, when people say that he didn’t have a childhood,	人们总是说他没有童年
[55:33]	far as l’d seen he had a childhood.	我倒觉得他是个有童年的人
[55:35]	When he was a kid, things were a lot simpler.	小时候的事情要单纯得多了
[55:39]	And l think that, as they got older, the family became more divided	我认为他们逐渐长大后 整个家族开始分裂
[55:45]	and other stuff happened in Michael Jackson’s life	迈克尔·杰克逊的人生 也经历了许多事
[55:47]	to make him wish that he was 12 years old again.	让他渴望能回到12岁
[55:50]	so, when he says he missed out on his childhood,	当他说他错过了童年的许多事
[55:54]	l’ve always felt that what he really meant was that he just missed it very much.	我一直都觉得 他只是指他很怀念童年时光
[56:05]	The first time l met him was when he was 14,	我遇到他那年他14岁
[56:06]	Don Black SONGWRlTER, ‘BEN’	唐·布莱克(BEN词曲创作)
[56:07]	full of life, full of ambition.	充满活力以及企图心
[56:11]	lt was at the peak of his powers.	他正当红
[56:17]	Fire in his belly and just everything about him was fabulous.	满腔的热情 有关于他的一切都像是镀了金一般
[56:29]	l wrote it about friendship.	我描述的是友情
[56:32]	The stoty is about this boy who’s vety seriously ill	一个病入膏肓的男孩
[56:35]	and nothing’s going right for him.	人生很不顺利
[56:37]	But a little rat comes along one day, he sees it in his bedroom.	但有天有只老鼠来到了他的房间
[56:42]	But it was a lovely little mousey kind of rat.	很可爱的一只老鼠
[56:48]	And he befriends him.	与他交朋友
[56:50]	And it makes the boy so much better, it lifts his spirits up.	让男孩感觉好多了 精神也变好了
[56:54]	And that’s how l wrote the song, about friendship.	我写的就是这样一首 关于友情的歌
[56:57]	lt can be about a rat.	有可能是关于老鼠
[56:59]	The two of us need look no more. You’re always running here and there.	我俩不用再寻觅 你总是来来去去
[57:02]	But it could be about a best friend.	但也可能是在讲一个挚友
[57:10]	When Michael recorded Ben, l remember going to the studio	迈克尔录Ben时 我记得我有去录音室探班
[57:15]	and it was just magical. l just loved it.	感觉太奇妙了 我很喜欢
[57:17]	l always remember Michael getting vety emotional about that song.	我记得迈克尔对那首歌感触很深
[57:22]	His eyes welled up a bit,	眼眶眶都湿了
[57:25]	particularly at the middle bit.	尤其是中段的时候
[57:27]	l’ll never forget that image.	那画面我一辈子都忘不了
[57:29]	The middle bit was, ‘l used to say ‘l’ and ‘me,’	中间那段的歌词是 我以前总是以我自称
[57:33]	‘now it’s ‘us,’ now it’s ‘we.’ ‘	但现在却成了我们
[57:41]	Michael just loved those lines.	迈克尔很喜欢那段词
[57:44]	ln fact, that’s why, l think, we repeat them in the song.	这也是为什么在歌中一直重复着那句
[57:47]	We do it again.	一直重复
[57:54]	There was a longing, l think, for love and acceptance,	我觉得有种想被爱与被接受的渴望
[57:57]	going all the way back to when he was a little kid.	可追溯到他小时候
[57:59]	And you were able to hear that longing in his voice.	从他的声音中可以听到那份渴望
[58:04]	singing is passion.	唱歌是种热情
[58:06]	You have to do it from inside of you.	必须要是发自内心
[58:09]	lt has to come from your soul, your heart.	从灵魂与心底深处
[58:15]	And Michael Jackson had that.	迈克尔杰可森有这种特质
[58:17]	lt wasn’t done for the posture of ‘l did this. ‘	不是纯粹为了唱而唱
[58:21]	lt was done because his heart said,	他会去做是因为他的心告诉他
[58:23]	‘This is what l need to do, ‘ and he did it.	我需要去做这件事
[58:25]	Michael sings like an angel.	迈克尔的歌声就像是天使
[58:26]	Kenny Gamble & leon Huff PRODUCERS l SONGWRlTERS	肯尼·甘柏与里昂·瑟夫(制作人/词曲创作)
[58:27]	He has the voice of an angel and he does…	他拥有天籁般的嗓音…
[58:29]	Every note is right on it and he was doing that at nine years old.	他从九岁起就每个音都很准确
[58:34]	l recorded Ben l don’t know how long ago.	我都不记得哪一年录Ben了
[58:36]	l mean, ll hear it all the time still, you know, go on and on and on.	但现在还是常听到
[58:40]	Yeah, it’s selling more now.	现在又开始很卖
[58:43]	so, it’s What you leave behind, l think.	重点是你留下了什么
[58:51]	There are people who come along once in a lifetime.	有些人你一辈子只能碰到一个
[58:56]	Michael Jackson, he only happens once.	迈克尔·杰克逊是独一无二的
[59:18]	When you think about Michael Jackson, you think about him as a kid.	想到迈克尔·杰克逊 就想到儿时的他
[59:19]	Freda Payne SlNGER	芙瑞达·派恩丝(歌手)
[59:22]	like when he did some of those earlier songs, like Ben.	就像他早期的歌 例如Ben
[59:33]	And then as he grew and evolved and became a young man,	当他慢慢长大 成为一个年轻男子时
[59:39]	l saw the metamorphosis of a beautiful, beautiful flower,	我彷佛看到了美丽花朵的蜕变
[59:42]	just blooming and unfolding.	逐渐绽放
[59:50]	Michael enjoyed what he was doing.	迈克尔很喜爱他的工作
[59:51]	Mickey & Jan Rooney JACKSON’s FRlENDS	米奇与珍鲁尼(杰克逊好友)
[59:53]	That’s why, transition from very young to getting older,	一年一年地成长
[59:58]	it’s just one year after another, but doing what the good Lord let us do.	但还是善用着神赐与他的天赋
[1:00:06]	When MichaeI became a teenager, his voice changed.	迈克尔步入青少年时期时 开始变嗓
[1:00:08]	He realised that he would be singing different types of music,	他意识到自己需要改变歌路
[1:00:12]	not kiddie pop songs like he had been most of his career.	不能再像之前一样 唱些小孩的摇滚乐
[1:00:17]	The first time we worked with the Jackson 5 was vety exciting.	我们与杰克逊五人组的初次合作 很令人兴奋
[1:00:21]	Because the one thing l noticed about the group,	因为我注意到这个团体
[1:00:21]	Brian & Eddie Holland SONGWRlTERS, HOllAND-DOZlER-HOllAND	布莱恩与艾迪·荷兰(词曲创作)
[1:00:24]	that they were extremely down to earth, very mannerable,	就是他们都很谦虚 很有教养
[1:00:29]	very, very polite.	非常有礼貌
[1:00:31]	Lamont Dozier SONGWRlTER, HOllAND-DOZlER-HOllAND	蓝蒙·多齐尔(词曲创作)
[1:00:31]	Michael recorded several songs of mine and the Hollands’	迈克尔录了好几首我跟荷兰的歌
[1:00:34]	and Forever Came Today was one of my favourites.	其中Forever Came Today是我最喜欢的
[1:00:43]	He had such pipes and drama in his voice	他的嗓音很好又富有情感
[1:00:46]	to be so young.	却又如此年轻
[1:00:53]	He was just one of a kind in that respect.	他真的很独特
[1:00:55]	He really did the songs justice.	他唱的真的很好
[1:00:59]	l think Michael knew how important lyric was to the song.	我觉得迈克尔很了解歌词的重要性
[1:01:03]	And it had to reach, touch something, l think, for him to really wanna sing it.	明白它一定要能够感动 他才会想去唱那首歌
[1:01:09]	And, you know, he’d dance and sing at the same time	况且他又能歌善舞
[1:01:13]	so it had to correspond with his body, too.	所以还必须要与肢体产生共鸣
[1:01:16]	so it all had to be one piece for him.	所以一切都要搭配得很好
[1:01:23]	He didn’t want fluff. He wanted something with legs on it,	他不喜欢很花俏的东西 他要的是实在
[1:01:27]	something that was gonna last through time	可以承受时间洗礼的东西
[1:01:29]	and that’s actually what he ended up creating.	这也是他所创造的
[1:01:32]	The bigger he became as an artist,	他愈走红
[1:01:37]	the more enamoured he seemed to be over songwriters.	就愈崇拜词曲创作者
[1:01:46]	A lot of people have done those songs and couldn’t get a handle on ’em	许多人都没有办法驾驭
[1:01:51]	llike the levi stubbs or Diana Ross,	像是利瓦伊·史塔布斯 或是黛安娜·罗丝
[1:01:53]	but he just had a knack, a gift.	但他真的很有天份
[1:01:58]	He already had a cake but then he put icing all on top of it.	对他来说简直是锦上添花
[1:02:05]	Around 1974,	大约1974年
[1:02:07]	they started doing product at Motown that perhaps wasn’t the best.	摩城的产品开始有点差强人意
[1:02:11]	As a fan, l loved songs like The Boogie Man is gonna get you,	我是粉丝 所以很喜欢The Boogie Man会来抓你
[1:02:15]	and lookin’ through the Windows, and skywriter,	Lookin’ through the Windows 与 Sky Writer
[1:02:19]	but these songs weren’t hits.	但这些歌都称不上是畅销曲
[1:02:23]	Joe mentioned to me	乔对我说
[1:02:24]	several times that he felt like Motown was taking the group over,	有好几次他都觉得摩城要接手
[1:02:30]	taking them away from his direction.	将团体带离他心中所想的方向
[1:02:35]	What happened was that	不久之后
[1:02:37]	Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder and Smokey Robinson	马文与史提夫·汪达 还有史摩基·罗宾逊
[1:02:39]	were writing and producing and doing a lot of things at Motown	开始替摩城创作与制作许多歌
[1:02:42]	that the Jacksons had begun to want to do for themselves.	杰克逊五人组也开始有所打算
[1:02:45]	And to see how Motown treated other artists	目睹摩城如何对待其他歌手
[1:02:48]	and how the other artists was making it,	以及其他歌手如何成功
[1:02:50]	it was kind of disillusion.	其实有点理想破灭
[1:02:54]	The company was being run at that time by Ewart Abner,	公司那时的营运由伊维·艾伯纳
[1:02:58]	Berry Gordy Was making movies with Diana Ross.	贝瑞·戈迪正忙着与黛安娜·罗丝拍电影
[1:03:01]	And Abner felt pretry strongly	伊维·艾伯纳深深的认为
[1:03:03]	that they should not be writing and producing their own music,	他们不应该自己创作与制作音乐
[1:03:06]	that they should just accept the material that came their way	应该给他们什么就唱什么
[1:03:09]	and just do a good job with it in the studio.	着重在录音室里把歌唱好
[1:03:13]	Michael Was vety disillusioned.	迈克尔整个梦想幻灭
[1:03:15]	He wanted to not only write his own material	他不但想自己写歌
[1:03:18]	but produce it as well.	还想自己制作
[1:03:20]	He realised	他发现
[1:03:21]	if he was to reach these goals, he would have to go somewhere else.	自己必须要到别处才能完成这些梦想
[1:03:26]	Joe Jackson called me and told me	乔·杰克逊打给我
[1:03:29]	that they were looking for a place to go.	跟我说他们在找新东家
[1:03:33]	And of course, Huff and myself,	瑟夫跟我当然
[1:03:35]	we tried to get them for Philly lnternational Records.	费力的想把他们拉到费城国际唱片来
[1:03:38]	But at the same time, CBS	但同时间 CBS
[1:03:40]	was negotiating with them also.	也在与他们谈合约
[1:03:43]	Ron Alexenburg SNR. VlCE PRESlDENT CBS l EPlC RECORDS	郎·亚利山柏(CBS/史诗唱片副总裁)
[1:03:43]	l wanted to know if there was a shot, a chance,	我想要知道到底有没有胜算
[1:03:46]	of being able to get involved. And l was told there was.	他跟我说有
[1:03:51]	The next is, We sat doWn and we started to negotiate.	我们并开始坐下来谈
[1:03:55]	They wanted a million dollars.	他们要价一百万
[1:03:57]	And l figured, ‘Okay, that’s all l could approve up to. ‘	我心想 我也只能核准这么多
[1:04:00]	That was my approval level.	我被授权的上限也就在这
[1:04:02]	l had to go through the ranks	我得连络高层
[1:04:04]	and ll said, “We have a chance of signing the Jackson 5”	我说 我们有机会签杰克逊五人组
[1:04:07]	and they said, “They’re done.”	他们却回 他们已经过气了
[1:04:09]	l said, “No, l’m sorry.	我说 不 抱歉
[1:04:11]	‘l believe in them, l believe that there’s a big future,	我对他们有信心 我相信前途无量
[1:04:14]	‘l believe that Michael Jackson	我相信迈克尔·杰克逊
[1:04:16]	“Could be one of the biggest stars ever.”	会成为数一数二的巨星
[1:04:21]	That took care of that.	就搞定了
[1:04:22]	l was handed the letter and they said,	他们把信给我 然后说
[1:04:24]	‘There’s your deal memo, go sign ’em. ‘	这是你的合约信 去签吧
[1:04:26]	ln order to move on and progress,	为了继续往前走
[1:04:29]	Joseph said he had to do it	约瑟夫说不得不这么做
[1:04:30]	because he wanted the children to get credit for their writings and all of that,	因为他希望孩子们的创作可以被注意到
[1:04:34]	and they couldn’t do that at Motown.	但在摩城却不可能
[1:04:36]	CBS offered them movies, they offered ’em a TV show,	CBS为他们安排电影演出 还有电视节目
[1:04:40]	cartoons and everything.	甚至还有卡通
[1:04:42]	And of course Gamble and Huff, you know,	肯尼·甘柏与里昂·瑟夫这里
[1:04:44]	we couldn’t offer them all those things.	我们当然不可能提供这些
[1:04:46]	so they decided to go with CBS.	所以他们决定去CBS
[1:04:50]	Probably the most important signing of my career.	这可能是我的事业生涯中 签过最重要的约
[1:04:54]	The Jackson 5 left Motown Records and went to CBS.	杰克逊五人组离开了摩城 加入CBS
[1:04:58]	Jermaine stayed behind because he was married to Hazel	杰曼留了下来 因为他娶了海瑟
[1:05:01]	and Hazel Was Berry Gordy’s daughter.	海瑟则是贝瑞·戈迪的女儿
[1:05:05]	When my boys left Jermaine back at MotoWn,	我儿子们离开杰曼与摩城时
[1:05:09]	it hurt, because Jermaine wouldn’t come.	其实很难过 因为杰曼不肯一起走
[1:05:12]	l don’t know if it was upset or angry or whatever or disappointment or whatever,	我也不清楚究竟是难过 生气 还是失望
[1:05:16]	it just was a sad time, that’s all. That’s the word. lt was sad.	但却是很不开心 就是不开心
[1:05:20]	Jermaine felt that he owed his allegiance to Berry	杰曼认为自己应该忠于贝瑞
[1:05:24]	’cause Berry was the one that gave us our start.	因为一开始是贝瑞给了我们机会
[1:05:28]	And l felt the same way.	我也是这么觉得
[1:05:30]	Berry Gordy maintained the name “Jackson 5”	贝瑞·戈迪保留了杰克逊五人组的团名
[1:05:34]	and they really thought that maybe	他们真的认为
[1:05:36]	it wasn’t fair that Berry got to keep the name ‘Jackson 5, ‘	贝瑞不应该扣住杰克逊五人组的团名
[1:05:39]	so they went to CBS as the Jacksons.	所以他们以杰克逊家族的团名进CBS
[1:05:44]	l was not prepared for the rubbish that would come my way.	后面一连串的麻烦 是我所没料到的
[1:05:50]	lt was this fear, l guess,	我想那就是一种恐惧吧
[1:05:53]	that what the supposed ‘lily white ‘ company	一个白种人当道的公司
[1:05:57]	was gonna do to this black family.	竟然签了一个非裔家庭当旗下艺人
[1:06:02]	l received phone calls, l received threats.	我收到了谩骂的电话还有威胁
[1:06:05]	There was a lot of prejudice in the business.	当时这行里的种族歧视还满严重的
[1:06:09]	Black records usually had to cross over from being R&B to pop stations.	非裔唱片通常都是从R&B电台 跨越到流行乐电台
[1:06:16]	Very rarely did a pop station just go on a black record.	很少有流行乐电台去迎合非裔唱片
[1:06:20]	lt’s the most ridiculous thing in the world when you think of it now	现在想想觉得很荒谬
[1:06:24]	because it’s not like that any more.	因为当今的音乐界 完全不是这么一回事
[1:06:26]	But it sure was in the ’60s and ’70s.	但在60与70年代确实如此
[1:06:29]	Music business was segregated	音乐界当时实行种族隔离政策
[1:06:31]	and even though the Jackson 5 had crossed over,	虽然杰克逊五人组踏了进来
[1:06:34]	there was just always this thing that was going on	却永远都还是有些什么
[1:06:37]	that there was a difference	R&B与流行乐之间
[1:06:39]	between R&B and pop.	终究还是不一样
[1:06:42]	Forget the colour, listen to the music.	别管什么肤色了 认真听音乐
[1:06:45]	Does the music excite your audience? Yes. Play it.	音乐本身是否吸引听众? 有的话就播啊
[1:06:57]	Ron Alexenburg called us and asked us	郎·亚利山柏打来问我们
[1:07:01]	if we would produce them.	愿不愿当他们的制作
[1:07:03]	l wanted to go to proven winners	我想要找已有口碑的人
[1:07:05]	and that’s why l picked up the phone and called Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff	所以才会打电话 给肯尼·甘柏与里昂·瑟夫
[1:07:09]	and it was only at that time that l found out that they were also	我那时才发现
[1:07:12]	trying to sign the Jacksons and l said,	他们本来也想签杰克逊家族
[1:07:14]	‘Well, pretend that you signed them but they’re gonna be on Epic Records	我说 就假装是你们签到了 只是由史诗唱片公司发行
[1:07:17]	‘and please produce them for me. ‘	拜托你们过来当制作人
[1:07:22]	That transition	换公司那段期间
[1:07:24]	was a trying time, because	其实还满辛苦的
[1:07:26]	they had a lot of emotional things going on with them	因为他们有许多情绪要消化
[1:07:29]	because this was the first time that Jermaine was not recording with them.	这是首次少了杰曼的专辑
[1:07:34]	When Jermaine lleft,	杰曼退出后
[1:07:35]	Randy came into the group	蓝迪加入
[1:07:38]	and Joe had been preparing Randy, for a long time, to become a member.	乔花了很长的时间培养兰迪入团
[1:07:45]	And he fit in like a glove.	他真的很适合
[1:07:48]	This here gentleman is Randy Jackson,	这位就是蓝迪·杰克逊
[1:07:50]	and he happens to be the youngest and the ugliest member of the Jackson 5.	他恰好是杰克逊五人组中 最年幼也最其貌不扬的
[1:07:55]	Now what’s the excuse for you, so ugly?	对于长这么丑 你有什么辩解?
[1:07:59]	‘Cause l take after my big brother, Tito.	我就像到我哥 蒂托
[1:08:02]	As soon as we found a recording date for an artist,	我们只要一敲定录音日期
[1:08:06]	we would start writing for them	就开始写歌
[1:08:08]	and not only would Gamble and Huff write for them,	不光只有甘柏与瑟夫替他们写歌
[1:08:11]	but we had McFadden and Whitehead who wrote for them.	还有迈克尔费登与怀特海德
[1:08:14]	-All of our writers, all of our staff… -Dexter, Cynthia Biggs…	-公司所有成员… -戴斯特 辛迪·亚比斯…
[1:08:18]	They would know that the Jacksons were coming in.	他们全都知道杰克逊家族要来
[1:08:22]	Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff instructed me	肯尼·甘柏与里昂·瑟夫要求我
[1:08:25]	Dexter Wansel PRODUCER l SONGWRlTER	戴斯特·环硕(制作人/词曲创作)
[1:08:25]	to write a number one for them	帮他们写一首畅销曲
[1:08:27]	to see if l could come up with any material that they liked,	看看我有没有什么他们会喜欢的作品
[1:08:31]	meaning the Jacksons, and that Gamble and Huff could approve.	意思就是杰克逊家族 甘柏与瑟夫都喜欢的歌
[1:08:36]	And so, we would have prepared for them	所以在他们踏入录音室时
[1:08:39]	maybe 200 songs when they walked in the door.	我们就要准备好差不多20首歌
[1:08:41]	And then we’d take those 20 songs and we’d cut ’em down to maybe, like, 12.	然后再从中筛选出差不多12首
[1:08:46]	The Jacksons themselves were	杰克逊家族本身
[1:08:49]	interested in moving on with their career.	也想要再推进他们的歌唱事业
[1:08:52]	They wanted to write, they wanted to produce.	他们也想写歌与参与制作
[1:08:55]	so Huff and l, we helped them produce.	瑟夫与我在制作方面 稍微帮了他们一下
[1:08:58]	Tito was excellent, ’cause he’s a great guitar player.	蒂托很厉害 因为他谈吉他的技巧很高超
[1:09:00]	Kenny Gamble and leon Huff was very warm, nice people.	肯尼·甘柏与里昂·瑟夫 是很热情也很好的人
[1:09:06]	They had a lot of soul,	他们很懂灵魂音乐
[1:09:08]	we had a lot in common with the music.	我们在音乐上有许多的共通点
[1:09:10]	When l cut their tracks,	我在混音时
[1:09:11]	l always included Tito	节奏部份
[1:09:14]	in the rhythm section.	一定会加入蒂托的独奏
[1:09:16]	And he told me Motown would not let him play on their tracks,	他告诉我说摩城 不让他在自己的歌中弹奏
[1:09:20]	but he played on every one of mine.	但我制作的每首都有他
[1:09:24]	Our studio Was running 24 hours a day, so it was like a machine.	录音室简直是全天候开业 像机器似的
[1:09:28]	sometimes,	有时
[1:09:30]	we might wanna work until the wee hours	我们可能一路工作
[1:09:33]	of the morning.	到凌晨
[1:09:35]	Depends on how strong your creative juices is flowing	完全取决于当下有多少
[1:09:39]	at that moment.	灵感
[1:09:40]	And the Jacksons were used to curfews.	而杰克逊家族以前有门禁
[1:09:44]	But that changed in Philly.	这点在费城时改变了
[1:09:47]	Well, they were older, they were teenagers then.	他们那时也稍为年长 已经是青少年了
[1:09:49]	But they were still trying to induce that old system,	但他们还是想回到以前的那套
[1:09:53]	and Michael rebelled against it.	当时迈克尔就开始反抗
[1:09:57]	Because Michael wanted to hang out	因为迈克尔也想要
[1:10:00]	into the wee hours of the morning, so… And that’s what he did.	混到清晨 他也就这么做了
[1:10:04]	Michael loved his time with Gamble and Huff.	迈克尔很享受和甘柏与瑟夫共处的时光
[1:10:07]	He really appreciated working with two geniuses	他很感谢能跟写这么多
[1:10:10]	who wrote so many classic songs.	脍炙人口的创作者们合作
[1:10:12]	Can you tell us, what made you want to sing in the first place?	可不可以告诉我们 为什么会想要唱歌?
[1:10:17]	-l don’t know. -You don’t know?	-不知道耶 -不知道?
[1:10:19]	Well, you know how that goes with children. They just don’t know, do they?	你们也知道小孩子 有时根本搞不清楚状况 对吗?
[1:10:22]	Michael, at that time, was always shy	迈克尔永远都很腼腆
[1:10:25]	and really reserved.	很内敛
[1:10:27]	We would say, “l wanna go get something to eat, or let’s do this.	我们常说 我们去吃饭 或是就这么决定了
[1:10:30]	And he would go, ‘Okay. ‘	他永远都是一句 好啊
[1:10:33]	And he was vety humble.	他非常的谦虚
[1:10:34]	And l think he was pretry humble through his life.	我觉得他一辈子都很谦虚
[1:10:37]	-What’s your name? -Christopher Wansel.	-你叫什么名字? -克里斯托夫·环硕
[1:10:41]	l was young when that video was made, l was, like, one or two years old.	拍摄那影片时我好像才一两岁
[1:10:41]	Christopher Wansel JACKSON FRlEND	克里斯托夫·环硕(杰克逊好友)
[1:10:45]	The relationship with the Jacksons started there	与杰克逊家族的缘份 就是从那时开始
[1:10:47]	and it continued throughout life.	维持了一辈子
[1:10:49]	Can you sing?	你会唱歌吗?
[1:10:52]	He can’t dance? l wanna see his dance.	他不会跳舞吗? 我想看他跳舞
[1:10:56]	-Come on, man! -You don’t have to.	-快点啦! -不要勉强
[1:11:00]	l remember a lot of just,	我记得很清楚
[1:11:03]	l guess, excitement and just joy with those guys at that point, you know,	就是跟他们在一起时的欢乐
[1:11:06]	’cause a lot of people that would record would be serious,	因为唱片公司很多人都很严肃
[1:11:09]	you wouldn’t get a smile or anything,	连笑都不笑的
[1:11:11]	but these guys were constantly joking left and right.	但他们却总是在打打闹闹
[1:11:13]	What do you do, booger?	你是做什么的?
[1:11:17]	Well, other than being ‘the Bishop of soul ‘	除了身为灵魂主教外
[1:11:19]	l’m also ‘the Monk of Funk ‘ and ‘the High Priest of Rock ‘	我还身兼舞僧侣以及摇滚大祭司
[1:11:21]	and ‘the Bishop of soul. ‘	与灵魂主教
[1:11:23]	-All right! -Who said that?	-赞! -是谁说的?
[1:11:26]	l met Michael Jackson when he first came to Philly	我认识迈克尔·杰克逊时 他才刚来到费城
[1:11:26]	Billy Paul ARTlST, PHlADElPHlA lNT. RECORDS	比利·保罗(费城国际唱片歌手)
[1:11:29]	back in, l think, it was 1974.	好像是1974年吧
[1:11:32]	He was a vety shy, young kid, you know.	他是个很害羞的小火子
[1:11:36]	And he was very excited to meet me, you know,	他见到我很开心
[1:11:38]	’cause he… Mrs Jones… lt was at the height of Mrs Jones.	因为他…Mrs Jones… Mrs Jones当时正红
[1:11:42]	l welcomed him to the studio and told him he was gonna enjoy it	我表示欢迎他来到录音室 并跟他说会很好玩
[1:11:47]	and l’d do a good job, you know, and he just laughed.	而他也会唱得很好 他只是笑笑
[1:11:51]	Michael’s voice had changed, obviously,	迈克尔的声音明显地改变了
[1:11:54]	from the little boy	从小男孩的高亢
[1:11:55]	that could hit all those high, piercing, l’ll Be There notes	可以唱l’ll Be There中每一个高音
[1:11:58]	to a rawer sound.	到更为直接不修饰的声音
[1:12:01]	But he was a great singer because	但他是名很杰出的歌手
[1:12:02]	he studied the great singers, he wanted to sing like them.	因为他从其他杰出歌手身上学习 他想要唱得跟他们一样好
[1:12:06]	He knew what he wanted to do with his voice,	他知道如何驾驭自己的声音
[1:12:09]	like over-dubbing his voice and doubling his voice	像是重复录他的声音或是重迭声音
[1:12:13]	and speeding up one voice and this one…	还有将其中一个声轨加快…
[1:12:15]	These are things that he was telling me, you know. We’re the producers.	他一直跟我讲这些 我们是制作人
[1:12:20]	He would say, ‘Gamble, can l try this? Can l try that? ‘	他会问 甘柏 可以试试这么吗?
[1:12:23]	l said, ‘Yeah, try anything you want. ‘	我都回 你爱怎么试就怎么试
[1:12:26]	-We let him express himself. -Yeah.	-让他表达自己 -嗯
[1:12:28]	You know, he was in there	整个混音过程
[1:12:30]	through the mixes, he was around me and Huff all the time.	他都与我和瑟夫在一起
[1:12:33]	l remember when they were working with Gamble and Huff in Philadelphia,	我记得他们在费城 和甘柏与瑟夫合作时
[1:12:38]	and l liked their sound and l liked what they did and they helped them out a lot.	我很喜欢他们的音乐 他们也帮了大忙
[1:12:41]	And that’s when the boys first start writing, too.	孩子们也是在那时开始写歌的
[1:12:47]	Their first record produced by Gamble and Huff,	甘柏与瑟夫帮他们制作的第一张专辑
[1:12:51]	even though it went gold,	虽然销售破金
[1:12:52]	wasn’t a really huge album for them.	但并不是他们最成功的一张
[1:12:55]	lt mid-charted in around the 50s	排行榜最高才50多名
[1:12:59]	and he wanted something that was number one.	他想要首冠军曲
[1:13:04]	When they did their second album, Goin’ Pllaces,	第二张专辑Goin’ Places
[1:13:08]	the album was really a flop.	销售惨淡
[1:13:10]	He was used to selling	他在摩城时
[1:13:11]	a million or so albums on Motown.	随便卖都好几百万张
[1:13:15]	And he really, in no disrespect to them,	他真的很希望
[1:13:17]	wanted to produce and write all his own material.	能成为创作歌手并自己制作
[1:13:23]	He wanted to be in charge.	他想要掌权
[1:13:26]	Released in 1978 ‘Destiny’ was the first album produced by the Jacksons.	1978年发行的Destiny 是杰克逊家族首张创作大碟
[1:13:30]	When l first heard Destiny,	我一听到Destiny时
[1:13:33]	l liked it very much. l was very proud of them.	就很喜欢 他们让我很骄傲
[1:13:36]	l thought they did a real good job.	我觉得他们做得很好
[1:13:40]	The album re-established The Jacksons as a top selling group.	此专辑让杰克逊家族 重返畅销团体宝座
[1:13:50]	He kept reaching for higher plateaus	他的成就愈来愈高
[1:13:53]	and he felt, maybe, that if the group…	他觉得整个团…
[1:13:57]	Where he wanted to go, they probably couldn’t go with him.	他们可能无法跟他一起到达 他想要去的地方
[1:14:00]	Michael was beginning to think of himself as a solo artist	迈克尔开始想要单飞
[1:14:05]	and l always wondered what would happen to the brothers	我一直在思考 若迈克尔离开了这个团体
[1:14:09]	if Michael left the group.	其他兄弟该怎么办
[1:14:10]	Without Michael Jackson, that was gonna be a tough road for the Jacksons.	少了迈克尔 迈克尔·杰克逊家族的路会变得很艰幸
[1:14:14]	And l also believed	我也相信
[1:14:15]	that that’s one of the reasons why Michael put it off for as long as he could.	迈克尔之所以这样才一直担搁单飞的事
[1:14:18]	Jimmy Ruffin ARTlST, MOTOWN RECORDS	吉米·洛芬(摩城唱片歌手)
[1:14:19]	Yeah, l figured he’d go solo.	我猜到他会单飞
[1:14:21]	He was too good. He couldn’t carry his brothers forever.	他太杰出了 不可能一辈子扛着其他兄弟
[1:14:27]	One ofthe lawyers called me in	公司有个律师打给我
[1:14:29]	and he told me to tell the boys to save their money	要我叫其他孩子们开始存钱
[1:14:31]	because Michael is gonna go solo.	因为迈克尔要单飞了
[1:14:33]	ll said, “He can’t do that.”	我回 他不能这样
[1:14:35]	And he said, “Well, he don’t need his brothers.”	他说 他不需要其他兄弟
[1:14:38]	l said, ‘They need one another. ‘	我说 他们需要彼此
[1:14:41]	Josephjust felt that what was really important	约瑟夫重视的
[1:14:44]	wasn’t the individual success of the group	不是团体中各人的成就
[1:14:47]	but it was the group itself and it was the family itself.	而是团体本身就代表着家族
[1:14:52]	And that’s easy to say when you’re not the lead singer of the group.	不是团体主唱当然可以说得很容易
[1:14:58]	l saw Michael leaving his father as a positive,	我觉得迈克尔脱离他父亲是件好事
[1:15:02]	no longer persecuting him, abusing him	不会再有人责骂与虐待他
[1:15:06]	or saying things to him that were ugly.	或是用言语中伤他
[1:15:10]	He seemed to only be getting it from one source, his father.	几乎全来自他的父亲
[1:15:14]	Michael never felt comfortable with Joe as his manager,	迈克尔从来就不喜欢乔担任他们的经纪人
[1:15:17]	’cause he was afraid of him.	因为他很怕他
[1:15:18]	And when you’re afraid of somebody, you don’t wanna be around them.	因为怕他所以根本 也不会想与他亲近
[1:15:22]	That was his destiny, to be by himself.	单飞是他的命运
[1:15:25]	His confidence level was really high	他非常有自信
[1:15:27]	and when he made the transition from us to Quincy,	当他从我们这跳槽到昆西那去时
[1:15:30]	he was ready.	他早已蓄势待发
[1:15:36]	Michael really admired Quincy Jones.	迈克尔很欣赏昆西
[1:15:40]	Because	因为
[1:15:41]	Quincy had produced Frank sinatra,	昆西担任过法兰克辛纳区的制作人
[1:15:44]	Icon.	经典偶像
[1:15:45]	Ella Fitzgerald,	埃拉费兹杰拉
[1:15:47]	Icon.	经典偶像
[1:15:48]	Dinah Washington,	黛安娜华盛顿
[1:15:49]	Icon.	经典偶像
[1:15:51]	And so many other acts during his very illustrious career.	在他的事业生涯中 制作过无数大牌的唱片
[1:15:58]	When he was about to do Off The Wall, he went to him,	他要制作Off The Wall时找上他
[1:16:02]	asking for suggestions	寻求意见
[1:16:05]	of people that might be interested in working with him.	顺便询问有兴趣与他合作的名单
[1:16:09]	And the story goes that Quincy Jones said, ‘l’m available, ‘	听说昆西·斯直接说 我有空啊
[1:16:14]	and he said, “l would love to work with you.”	然后他回 很高兴与你合作
[1:16:18]	l was in the studio for the Off The Wall sessions,	Off The Wall录制时 我有去录音室探班
[1:16:22]	and so, l was able to actually watch Michael and Quincy work together.	所以我有机会目睹迈克尔与昆西合作
[1:16:26]	And Michael really thought of Quincy as sort of the father that he hoped	迈克尔将昆西视为一个父亲的角色
[1:16:32]	Joseph could have been for him.	他希望约瑟夫扮演的角色
[1:16:34]	One of the things that Michael toId me he Ioved about working with Quincy	迈克尔曾告诉我他之所以那么喜欢跟昆西合作
[1:16:37]	Was that Quincy thought Michael’s ideas were good ideas.	是因为昆西很认同他的创意
[1:16:42]	And if you listen to some of the demos,	你若听当中一些测试带
[1:16:44]	those songs were complete When Michael brought them to Quincy.	会发现有些歌 送交给昆西时已经是完整的
[1:16:48]	l mean, you could have just put them out.	直接就可以发行了
[1:16:50]	And Quincy appreciated the fact that Michael had this amazing ability.	昆西很欣赏迈克尔的才能
[1:16:54]	There was a lot of respect there.	他们互相尊重
[1:16:56]	Quincy Jones has always been smart about merging what he has to offer	昆西·斯一直都很善于
[1:17:00]	with what the artist has to offer	结合自己与歌手的创意
[1:17:01]	and l think that’s probably one of Quincy’s greatest gifts.	这应该是昆西的天赋之一
[1:17:04]	And he certainly did that with Michael in abundance.	他对迈克尔也是这样
[1:17:08]	l Will never forget When he brought Off TheWall over to my house	我永远都记得 他将Off The Wall带来我家
[1:17:11]	to play it for me.	播放给我听时
[1:17:14]	lt just jumped right out of the record player.	那音乐简直要从收音机里跳出来似的
[1:17:21]	lt was the most unbelievable album	是当时我所听过
[1:17:27]	l’d ever heard to that date.	最不可思议的专辑
[1:17:28]	To me, that’s one of the greatest albums l’ve ever heard in my life.	那是我此生所听过数一数二的专辑
[1:17:32]	When the musicians that l know,	我与熟识的音乐人
[1:17:33]	and we all sit around and we listen to the arrangements,	大家坐在一起听着编曲
[1:17:38]	and the production that was done on that album, the things that Quincy Jones did,	还有那张专辑的制作 昆西·斯的制作
[1:17:42]	was fantastic.	太棒了
[1:17:43]	Quincy Jones had horn players playing such fantastic licks	昆西·斯让小号手 吹奏了许多很棒的独奏
[1:17:47]	and had drummers and percussions that Michael had to dance to,	还有迈克尔要随之起舞的鼓声与敲打乐器
[1:17:51]	and that only made him even the more exciting.	让他更吸引人
[1:17:54]	Quincy was a great arranger,	昆西是很杰出的编曲者
[1:17:58]	Michael was a great singer, and also had a great foresight	迈克尔是个有前瞻理想的杰出歌手
[1:18:02]	and it just was a marriage made in heaven.	他俩简直是天作之合
[1:18:06]	l had the pleasure	我很荣幸
[1:18:08]	of coming up in the same era and watching him	跟他算是同期 并一路看着他
[1:18:10]	and once he got with Michael… Wow…	他与迈克尔合作后…哗…
[1:18:14]	Histoty speaks for itself.	历史会做见证
[1:18:16]	There wasjust no way	这些歌曲
[1:18:18]	that these songs weren’t going to be big hits.	不可能不成为畅销歌曲的
[1:18:22]	An album would have two vety good songs on it	每张专辑至少应该有两首非常好的歌
[1:18:25]	that they know is gonna be hits, and then they throw anything on an album,	绝对会成名的曲子 然后再用其他的曲子
[1:18:29]	to fill it out.	去填空
[1:18:31]	And he said, “Mother, ll don’t bellieve in that. I think evety song should be a hit.	他说 妈我不认为应该是这样 我觉得每首歌都应该畅销
[1:18:35]	And so, he just put good songs out there and gave the people	因此他收录了许多好歌 并呈献了
[1:18:38]	good product.	一张好作品
[1:18:43]	Actually, it made me start dancing again	让我又开始跳舞
[1:18:46]	when l went out,	我出去时
[1:18:47]	’cause l was one of those ‘l don’t wanna sweat ‘ guys.	一向都是那种不想弄得满头大汗的人
[1:18:51]	When Off The Wallwas on, you had to hit the dance floor.	但当Off The Wall推出时 你会忍不住要跳舞
[1:18:54]	lt was just absolutely astounding	真的太惊人了
[1:18:55]	and then he just kept getting better and better.	他又更上一层楼
[1:19:01]	such a God-given talent, so precious.	真的拥有难得的天赋
[1:19:05]	When he recorded Thriller, Michael was vety excited	迈克尔在录制Thriller时很兴奋
[1:19:08]	and he said that he thought	他说他有感觉
[1:19:10]	this was going to sell hundreds and hundreds of millions of copies.	这张销售会破亿万
[1:19:13]	Quincy kept telling Michael, “You know what? Maybe five million.	昆西一直跟迈克尔说 可能五百万吧
[1:19:18]	‘l mean, if we do 10 million, it’s gonna be huge,	要是破千万就不得了了
[1:19:20]	‘but, you know, don’t get your hopes up. ‘	但是别将期望拉得太高
[1:19:21]	He was never pleased with what he accomplished.	他对自己的成就永远都不满意
[1:19:24]	He always wanted to accomplish the impossible.	总是想要完成不可能的任务
[1:19:28]	Michael felt that Quincy shouId have been on his team	迈克尔认为昆西应该要挺他的
[1:19:34]	with 100 million.	应当要破亿万销售
[1:19:35]	And he told his attorney,	他跟律师说
[1:19:38]	‘Thriller’s not coming out. Quincy doesn’t believe in it.	Thriller不发行了 因为昆西对专辑没信心
[1:19:41]	‘Cancel. The thing’s not coming out, ‘ right?	取消了 不录制了 是吗?
[1:19:44]	so, Michael had a conversation with Wallter Yetnikoff,	当时迈克尔与沃尔特·耶特尼科夫谈话
[1:19:46]	Who Was running CBS at that time.	也就是当时CBS的总裁
[1:19:49]	And Walter Yetnikoff told Michael, ‘Look, who cares what these guys think.	沃尔特·耶特尼科夫对迈克尔说 你管他们怎么想
[1:19:53]	‘lt’s not about what their impression is of this music,	他们对音乐的印象不重要
[1:19:57]	‘it’s what you believe to be the case.	重要的是你怎么想
[1:19:59]	‘And if you believe this is going to sell 100 million copies,	若你认为这张会破亿万销售量
[1:20:01]	‘guess what, Michael?	你知道吗?
[1:20:02]	“l’m with you.	我挺你
[1:20:04]	“let this thing come out. Don’t mess with this. Just Iet it come out.	就发片吧 别管这些了 你发片就是了
[1:20:08]	And then Michael did.	迈克尔真的就发了
[1:20:09]	But it could have gone either way.	但是结局可能倒向任何一面
[1:20:11]	We were averaging a million units a week, which no other record had done.	当时每周平均销售百万 已经打破销售纪录
[1:20:21]	Michael Jackson, that year with Thriller, saved the record business.	迈克尔·杰克逊那年的Thriller 拯救了整个唱片业
[1:20:26]	Tower Records was going out of business,	淘儿音乐城面临倒闭
[1:20:29]	CBS itself had had two black Fridays where they laid off, like, a thousand people,	CBS本身也经历了两次黑色星期五 裁了上千员工
[1:20:35]	other companies were laying off people. Everybody was losing their job.	其他公司也在大量裁员 很多人都丢了工作
[1:20:40]	But Thrillerwas so big,	但Thriller却造成轰动
[1:20:43]	it brought millions of people into the stores	吸引了上百万人到店里消费
[1:20:48]	and they not only bought Thriller, they bought other product.	他们不光是购买Thriller 也购买其他产品
[1:20:52]	lt was the music that will probably influence contemporary artists	这张专辑的音乐 对当代歌手的影响
[1:20:56]	for a long, long time to come.	将会非常的深远
[1:20:59]	lt gave us a…	它给了我们…
[1:21:03]	A goal, a bull’s-eye or a dream to get to,	一个可追逐的目标
[1:21:07]	something to aspire to.	一种启发
[1:21:09]	After Michael made Off The Wall, and then Thriller,	迈克尔发完Off The Wall与Thriller后
[1:21:13]	l knew then that it was like shooting a rocket up to the moon.	事业就像是火箭一样的起飞
[1:21:22]	Were you aware of the sales?	你知道有多少销售量吗?
[1:21:24]	l pretry much did the album and just sat back and watched.	我基本上做完专辑后 就放手让它去了
[1:21:27]	Freda Payne SlNGER	芙瑞达·派恩丝(歌手)
[1:21:27]	He saw where he wanted to go	他清楚自己的目标
[1:21:30]	and he went there.	并向那里前进
[1:21:31]	And nobody could stop him.	没有人挡得住他
[1:21:37]	He went to a level	他所到达的层次
[1:21:39]	that only the vety great have obtained.	是少数超级巨星所抵达的
[1:21:45]	He wanted to be the best and he was the best.	他想要成为世界第一 就真的成为世界第一
[1:21:52]	God took that little man and he says,	神当初一定跟他说
[1:21:55]	‘Okay now, you take over the music world. ‘	去吧 去征服音乐界
[1:21:59]	‘lt now belongs to you. ‘	那是属于你的
[1:22:03]	What made him so special	他独特的地方
[1:22:05]	is that he was held back	是他压抑了许久
[1:22:07]	for so long	一直隐藏着
[1:22:09]	that when he was finally released, all of it came out.	释放时马上一发不可收拾
[1:22:13]	He just lit the stage on fire.	在舞台上造成轰动
[1:22:16]	He stole the show from everybody, including the Jackson 5.	他的成就过了一切 包括当初的杰克逊五人组
[1:22:22]	Michael was into his fans.	迈克尔很爱他的歌迷
[1:22:24]	To make all these people that happy, it charged him up, it really did.	能带给这么多人欢乐是他最大的动力
[1:22:30]	My fondest memoty is the Motown 25.	我最喜欢的是《摩城25周年纪念》
[1:22:34]	We were on that show,	我们同台
[1:22:36]	-and he premiered the moonwalk. Wow. -That was something.	-而他首次跳月球漫步 -真的很厉害
[1:22:44]	Michael called me	迈克尔后来打给我
[1:22:45]	when he got home from doing Motown 25,	《摩城25周年纪念》表演回家后
[1:22:48]	and said, ‘l’ve just given the greatest performance of my life. ‘	跟我说 我刚经历了此生最棒的表演
[1:22:55]	How excited we all were for him,	我们都很替他兴奋
[1:22:58]	it was like, ‘l guess l’ve arrived, ‘ you know?	有种我终于到达这境界的感觉
[1:23:04]	With an armful of Grammys. lt was wonderful.	通吃了葛莱美各奖项 真的很棒
[1:23:07]	ln 1984 Michael won an unprecedented 8 Grammys for ‘Thriller’.	迈克尔在1984年的Thriller 获得了8项葛莱美奖
[1:23:15]	‘Thriller’ became the best selling album of all time with sales exceeding 110 million.	Thriller成为史上最高销售专辑 总销售量一亿一千万
[1:23:20]	Michael!	迈克尔!
[1:23:22]	During the eighties Michael had more number 1 hits than any other artist.	迈克尔在80年代稳坐排行榜冠军宝座
[1:23:31]	Michael Jackson is	迈克尔·杰克逊是
[1:23:33]	one of the greatest artists of all time,	史上最伟大的歌手之一
[1:23:36]	who transcended being labelled black, white, red, yellow,	跨越了种族的界线
[1:23:41]	it didn’t matter, he appealed to everybody, everywhere.	全世界所有人都爱戴他
[1:23:45]	l think he came here ready ’cause he always wanted to be a superstar.	我想他一直都准备要当名巨星
[1:23:51]	He was wearing little rings on his fingers when he was a little man, you know.	他小时候就喜欢戴戒指
[1:23:56]	He was vety conscious	他很强烈的意识到
[1:23:59]	of the iconoclastic nature of ‘Michael Jackson, ‘	迈克尔·杰克逊这个偶像的光环
[1:24:02]	and what it would mean historically.	以及他在历史上的定位
[1:24:06]	Michael’s image was vety important to him	迈克尔非常注重他的形象
[1:24:08]	because Fred Astaire and the people that he studied,	因为那些他所学习的榜样 佛雷·亚斯坦
[1:24:11]	Jackie Willson, James Brown…	杰基·威尔逊 詹姆斯·布郎…
[1:24:13]	How are they being revered? Why are they so terrific and what did they do?	他们是如何掳获粉丝的心? 他们为何如此成功?
[1:24:17]	And he was a great student.	他是个很聪明的学生
[1:24:19]	lt just didn’t come upon him,	他不是突然开窍
[1:24:21]	he studied his craft, he worked at it.	而是非常努力
[1:24:24]	He was directing his career,	主导着自己的事业
[1:24:26]	he was so street smart	他很机灵
[1:24:29]	and he knew how to make a campaign work,	知道怎么营销
[1:24:33]	and more importantly, how to make it last.	更清楚怎么去维持
[1:24:36]	He believed that the biggest stars left the biggest impression	他相信超级巨星 必须要留下深刻的印象
[1:24:40]	and it was bigger than just their art, you know.	那印象必须更甚于他们的作品
[1:24:43]	What you thought of instantly	一想到巨星
[1:24:46]	when you thought of these celebrities	还有迈克尔
[1:24:48]	and with Michael, what you began to think of instantly	首先会想到的
[1:24:51]	was the fedora hat, it was the one glove.	就是软呢帽以及单只手套
[1:24:54]	On the show that we did together at Madison square Garden,	我们在麦迪逊花园广场的那场演出
[1:24:57]	he came out with a suitcase	他拎着口皮箱出来
[1:25:00]	and inside was the glove, and he had the hat,	里面装着那只手套与帽子
[1:25:05]	and he had everything he needed to show them,	光是这些就够了
[1:25:09]	‘Nobody does it better than l and these are my trademarks. ‘	我与众不同 这些是我的商标
[1:25:13]	The total package of Michael Jackson became vety important,	迈克尔·杰克逊的整体形象 变得非常的重要
[1:25:17]	especially with the advent of video culture,	尤其随着影音文化的开始
[1:25:19]	which happened at the exact same time	当时正好
[1:25:22]	that Billie Jean and Beat lt were becoming hit records.	Billie Jean与Beat lt风靡全球
[1:25:26]	‘Billie Jean’ was the 1 st video by a black artist to receive heavy rotation on MTV.	Billie Jean是史上首只在MTV上播出频繁的黑人歌手作品
[1:25:34]	Michael never officially left The Jacksons. ‘Victory’ was their last album together.	迈克尔从未正式退出杰克逊家族 84年的Victory是他们最后一张专辑
[1:25:43]	lt Was an immense pressure to be in the public eye	总是在大众的注目下 造成了他无比的压力
[1:25:48]	and he kept wanting to look better and better.	他很期望让自己愈来愈好看
[1:25:52]	He was very, very self-conscious.	他对自己的长相很敏感
[1:25:54]	Michael felt under pressure	迈克尔的形象
[1:25:57]	where his image was concerned	让他倍感压力
[1:26:01]	because of who he is.	因为他的出身
[1:26:02]	He was a black guy, he was an inner-city guy.	他是个贫民区长大的黑人
[1:26:06]	How could he be the darling of white society?	怎么可能受到白种社会的青睐?
[1:26:09]	He had to change.	他必须要改变
[1:26:12]	l think all that was what led to the first plastic surgery, in 1978.	我想这就是他1978年接受第一次整形手术的主因
[1:26:19]	l went to interview Michael at his home in Encino	我到迈克尔位于伊幸诺的家中访问他
[1:26:21]	and he showed up at the door with bandages on his face	他开门时一脸的绷带
[1:26:24]	and his eyes were black and blue,	眼睛又黑又紫
[1:26:25]	and l thought that he had been in some kind of a fight.	我还以为他跟人家打架
[1:26:29]	He explained to me that he had fallen on stage	他说他从舞台上摔了下来
[1:26:33]	and broke his nose.	摔断了鼻梁
[1:26:35]	This was why he had that first surgety.	所以才进行第一次手术
[1:26:40]	His next major one was in 1981	下一次大手术是在1981年
[1:26:43]	and he stayed with me for four weeks. l took care of him.	他在我家住了一个月 由我照顾他
[1:26:46]	l always felt that he looked so good after that second one,	我一直觉得第二次手术后的他 真的很好看
[1:26:50]	he never needed to do more.	其实不用再动刀
[1:26:52]	And then after that, there were all kinds of other things that were going on	之后又发生了许多事
[1:26:56]	that it was really hard to determine,	很难去评断
[1:26:59]	you know, what he was doing and when he was doing it.	他在做什么以及何时去做的
[1:27:09]	l think he should have stopped before he did, yes.	但我想他早该制止
[1:27:12]	Being vulnerable and listening to others, he just kept going.	但是耳根子软又一直听信他人 他就这样一直下去
[1:27:17]	Steve Hoefflin, l believe, and ll said to Michael,	史提夫·郝富林 我也曾跟迈克尔说过
[1:27:21]	did too many operations and made Michael not secure, but insecure.	他整得太过火了 不但没有增加自信 反而更自卑
[1:27:28]	One ofthe ways Steve stayed close to Michael	史提夫之所以一直留在迈克尔身边
[1:27:32]	was constantly telling him what he needed.	就是一直灌输他 他需要改变些什么
[1:27:35]	Steve would probably disagree with that, but l felt	史提夫或许不认同我的说法
[1:27:40]	you just went a bit too far.	但我觉得真的太过火了
[1:27:44]	The disease that Michael had, vitiligo,	迈克尔所得的病 皮肤白斑病
[1:27:47]	Michael suffered from it and he…	迈克尔为此很困扰
[1:27:51]	He didn’t wanna be spotted up and he…	他不想要变成个大花脸
[1:27:55]	He went to a skin doctor and had him to get his whole face one colour	他跑去找皮肤科医师 将脸部的颜色变均匀
[1:28:00]	but below, his legs and things were still spotted up	但是脸部以下 还有他的腿还是花的
[1:28:04]	but he didn’t show that part of his body,	他将那些部位隐藏
[1:28:05]	Vitiligo sufferer	皮肤白斑病患者
[1:28:06]	only parts of his body like his hands and his face and his neck and chest.	只有像手 脸部 颈部与胸前
[1:28:12]	That’s the part that he had bleached out so it wouldn’t look so bad.	他选择漂白那些部位 才不会那么难看
[1:28:19]	some people have their own ideas of what they think it is,	每个人都有对自己的想法
[1:28:22]	but l know what it is.	但我知道真相
[1:28:28]	lt always felt unfair to me	我一直觉得很不公平
[1:28:30]	and l think that Michael always felt victimised by it.	迈克尔也一直觉得身受其害
[1:28:33]	l loved it when Michael said,	我很喜欢迈克尔说
[1:28:34]	“Plastic surgety was not invented for Michael Jackson.	整形手术又不是为了迈克尔·杰克逊而发明的
[1:28:38]	‘People have been having plastic surgery for years.	许多人早就开始整形
[1:28:41]	‘l’m not the first one to do it.	我又不是第一个
[1:28:42]	‘Why am l always the one being picked on about it? ‘	为什么老是针对我呢?
[1:28:45]	And l thought that was a really good point.	我觉得这话很有道理
[1:28:49]	We Were doing a Pepsi commercial, the year was 1984.	我们1984年拍摄百事可乐的广告
[1:28:55]	And we were just getting ready to go out on the Victory Tour.	正准备要为胜利巡回启程
[1:29:02]	l went to the set the day they were shooting it	拍摄那天我有进棚
[1:29:05]	and they had a lot of performances that were great.	有许多的表演都很棒
[1:29:09]	so it was the end of the day, they called for a wrap,	最后准备要收工时
[1:29:13]	l said goodbye to him. And l was walking out the door	我跟他道别正打算要走出去
[1:29:18]	when l heard the producer say, ‘We have to do one more take. ‘	就听到制作人说 我们要再拍一次
[1:29:26]	There was some pyro, and Michael was coming down the steps	有些爆破特效 迈克尔要从阶梯上走下来
[1:29:30]	and l think somebody missed their cue.	好像是特效人员没算好时间
[1:29:37]	One of the flames came and landed on Michael’s head,	火苗落到迈克尔的头上
[1:29:41]	which he had hairspray, something like that, and it just…	他刚好又有喷发胶 所以就…
[1:30:03]	After the accident, Michael had to go through a horrific experience	那次意外后 迈克尔为了修复头皮
[1:30:07]	to repair his scalp.	吃了很多苦
[1:30:09]	lt was a form of tissue expansion known as ballooning.	是一种让皮肤组织膨胀的治疗
[1:30:16]	This procedure is often used on the scalp	这种治疗经常用在头皮上
[1:30:17]	Dr. Michael May FRCS – HAlR TRANSPLANT SPEClALlST, THE WlMPOLE CLlNlC	迈克尔·梅(整形外科医师 威博诊所毛发移植专科)
[1:30:20]	to treat burns, scarring.	治疗灼伤与疤痕
[1:30:27]	This is done by the surgeon	由外科医师执行
[1:30:29]	inserting a plastic balloon underneath the skin	将一个塑料气囊插入皮肤下
[1:30:35]	and, over a period of time, increasing the volume of the balloon,	透过逐渐充气
[1:30:41]	and therefore, stretching the skin above.	来伸展上方的皮肤
[1:30:47]	The surgeons,	外科医师
[1:30:49]	almost like drawing a curtain,	有点像是拉窗帘一般
[1:30:51]	bring the normal tissue over that area of scalp	将头皮上的皮肤掀开
[1:30:56]	and fill in the scarred area.	填补疤痕的部位
[1:31:02]	l actually spoke to Dr Steven Hoefflin,	我与迈克尔百事可乐事件后
[1:31:05]	who did the first ballooning procedure on Michael after the Pepsi incident.	初次帮他做这手术的 史提夫·郝富林医师谈过
[1:31:10]	And he explained to me	他向我解释
[1:31:11]	Michael continued to do the ballooning procedure	迈克尔后来一直持续与其他医师
[1:31:16]	with different doctors, throughout his career.	做这个手术
[1:31:20]	lt was quite painful, you can imagine.	可以想象有多痛
[1:31:22]	lf a large balloon of saline is placed beneath the skin,	将一个大盐水袋植入皮肤下
[1:31:28]	is blown up to perhaps 1000 cc of fluid,	再灌进1000毫升的液体
[1:31:32]	it causes quite a large amount of discomfort.	一定很不舒服
[1:31:38]	l think afterhe got burnt,	他灼伤后
[1:31:40]	that was the first time he was exposed to strong pain medicine,	首次体验了强效止痛药的作用
[1:31:43]	because he did have a lot of pain in that spot for a long time.	因为那次所承受的疼痛 持续了好一阵子
[1:31:47]	People don’t realise that his dependency on pills	人们并没有意识到 他对药物的依赖
[1:31:51]	was due to that one accident that changed his life forever.	是源自于那一次意外 却改变了他的一生
[1:32:02]	l used to give a lot of private parties for Michael	我常帮迈克尔办小型派对
[1:32:06]	because he’d wanna meet somebody.	因为他想多结交朋友
[1:32:09]	My neighbour, when l was living in New York,	我在纽约时
[1:32:11]	was liam Neeson,	跟连恩·尼逊是邻居
[1:32:14]	and he loved liam Neeson’s work in schindler’s list.	他很喜欢连恩·尼逊在《辛德勒名单》的演出
[1:32:17]	And l invited liam over	我邀请连恩过来
[1:32:21]	and some friends of mine.	还有一些其他朋友
[1:32:23]	You gave him a party, and l remember	你帮他开了个派对 我还记得当天
[1:32:26]	Michael McDonald sang, Gloria Gaynor sang.	麦克与葛洛莉雅娜都有唱歌
[1:32:29]	You and Michael were clowning, he had three bottles of wine, l think,	你跟迈克尔两人打打闹闹 他好像喝了三瓶红酒
[1:32:33]	and he was having a food fight.	葛洛莉雅娜唱歌当下
[1:32:37]	ln the middle of Gloria Gaynor singing,	他还在乱扔食物
[1:32:40]	Michael threw some jellybeans at me,	迈克尔拿糖扔我
[1:32:43]	and then he started throwing them in the piano.	然后开始把糖扔进钢琴
[1:32:46]	And l remember Gloria Gaynor looking up, like, ‘What’s going on? ‘	我还记得葛洛莉雅娜一脸错愕
[1:32:49]	l said, ‘He’s just a kid at heart. ‘	我说 他内心其实是个孩子
[1:32:54]	We ended up sitting at a table together.	我们后来同桌
[1:32:56]	l got up and l went to talk to some other people away from the table.	我起身去跟其他人聊天
[1:33:00]	When l got back, Michael was in my seat,	一回来发现迈克尔坐在我的位子上
[1:33:04]	in my date’s ear, in her face.	非常靠近我的女伴
[1:33:07]	l tried to wait a while, maybe he was gonna go away soon.	我想说等一下他搞不好就走了
[1:33:10]	No, he was so engrossed in the conversation with my date,	结果他专注着跟我的女伴聊天
[1:33:14]	he didn’t even notice me coming back.	根本没注意到我已经回来了
[1:33:17]	‘Michael, get your own. ‘	迈克尔 自己去找一个
[1:33:23]	The first time Michael ever drank in his life	迈克尔第一次喝酒
[1:33:26]	was at a dinner that l had with Burt Bacharach	是有次我与伯特·巴卡洛克吃饭时
[1:33:31]	and he drank about a bottle and a half of a vintage wine	他喝了差不多一瓶半的顶级红酒
[1:33:35]	and he loved the taste.	很喜欢那味道
[1:33:37]	And l remember we went back to my flat, and when we got out of the car,	我记得回我家时一下车
[1:33:42]	he threw up in the parking lot.	他就在停车场吐了一地
[1:33:46]	He threw up in my house, everywhere.	还吐了我一屋子
[1:33:49]	And l was picking up all this mess, and he said,	我在那边清理时他跟我说
[1:33:52]	‘You know, if l told Joseph, you would be in real hot water.	我要是告诉约瑟夫的话你就惨了
[1:33:57]	‘He would be really mad at you. ‘ l said, ‘Don’t tell him. ‘	他一定会很气你 我回 那就别跟他说
[1:34:04]	Not only did we have fun,	我们不但一起作乐
[1:34:06]	l got to set up a number of collaborations with Michael and other artists.	我还帮他牵线与其他歌手合作
[1:34:12]	Where l actually met him was at a big do for him,	我在一个为他办的派对上遇见他
[1:34:16]	Petula Clark SlNGER l ACTRESS	佩托拉·克拉克(歌手/演员)
[1:34:17]	and he had asked for me to come along and sing.	他邀请我到场演唱
[1:34:20]	l sang Downtown, of course, inevitably.	我当然唱了Downtown一曲
[1:34:23]	But it seems that he was a great fan.	但他好像也很喜欢这首歌
[1:34:26]	Blless his heart, he financed a recording session for me.	很感谢他 他出资让我录音
[1:34:31]	He was a very giving person, Michael.	迈克尔是个很慷慨的人
[1:34:35]	And very funny and of course deeply, deeply talented.	也很幽默 而且非常的才华洋溢
[1:34:47]	David called me on one given day and said that, ‘l think there’s a possibility	戴维有天打给我 跟我说 可能有机会
[1:34:49]	Paul Anka SlNGER l SONGWRlTER	保罗·安卡(歌手/词曲创作)
[1:34:51]	‘that you and Michael should sit down and write together. ‘	让你跟迈克尔一起坐下来写歌
[1:35:02]	Michael and Paul were in the Jacuzzi and came up with This ls lt.	迈克尔与保罗合写的This ls lt是在按摩浴缸里完成的
[1:35:07]	Not many people know that l was responsible for putting them together.	很少人知道 当初是我介绍他们认识的
[1:35:12]	Unfortunately it evolved, and l don’t know if you remember,	后来很可惜 我不晓得你记不记得
[1:35:14]	but Michael took the tapes out of the studio in los Angeles,	但迈克尔把带子从洛杉矶的录音室取出
[1:35:16]	because he didn’t want to finish the project.	因为他不想制作了
[1:35:19]	He kept them, illegally. We had the same lawyer, unfortunately.	他等于非法扣留带子 我们还雇用了同个律师
[1:35:25]	l fired the lawyer because he couldn’t find the contract, all of a sudden.	律师后来突然找不到合约 我只好解雇他
[1:35:29]	so, what really happened was, after Michael, under pressure, returned the tapes,	后来对迈克尔施压 他才归还带子
[1:35:34]	he obviously copied them.	但他显然复制了副本
[1:35:36]	Thus, years later, they went into his home,	多年后他们搜查他家时
[1:35:39]	and they found a copy, on a cassette or whatever,	找到了卷带子
[1:35:43]	of my multi-tracks, from my studio,	都是我录音室当初的曲子
[1:35:47]	which they thought was new, they thought it was a new song.	他们还以为是新歌
[1:35:50]	What threw them off was when they heard ‘This is it ‘ as the first line,	他们听到第一句未来的未来 感觉很错愕
[1:35:56]	it correlated with the tour that he was gonna do.	因为跟他本来要巡回的演唱会同名
[1:36:06]	After gathering all of the evidence, l realised that there was an honest mistake made	在收集证据后 我发现真的是误会一场
[1:36:11]	and l don’t wanna cause any problems.	我也不想继续惹事
[1:36:14]	so we sat down very quickly, within a few hours,	我们就在几个小时内
[1:36:16]	and we hammered out a deal, which l think is fair to all of us.	敲定了一份对双方都很公平的合同
[1:36:20]	And that’s the story about This ls lt.	这就是This ls lt的来龙去脉
[1:36:26]	ln 1990, l was producing the American Cinema Awards,	我在1990年制作美国影剧奖时
[1:36:30]	which honoured legendary stars of the cinema,	这典礼不但表扬电影明星
[1:36:33]	as well as great musical entertainers.	也表扬杰出音乐表演者
[1:36:36]	And over the years, we’d honoured many great legends.	我们这些年来表扬了不少巨星
[1:36:40]	There was nobody more qualified to win the award	十年最佳艺人的奖
[1:36:43]	for musical Entertainer of the Decade than Michael Jackson.	非迈克尔·杰克逊莫属
[1:36:48]	ladies and gentlemen, l would like to express my gratitude	各位先生与女士
[1:36:52]	to those responsible for the American Cinema Awards.	我想要向美国影剧奖的举办单位致谢
[1:36:56]	l thank David Gest. You’re just fantastic. Thank you so much.	我要感谢戴维·格斯特 你太棒了 非常谢谢
[1:37:04]	And finall, ll thank llittlle Christina and Michael.	最后我要谢谢小克莉丝丁娜 以及迈克尔
[1:37:08]	I love you all, goodbye.	我爱你们 再见
[1:37:22]	ln 1993, Michael Jackson was accused of molestation	1993年迈克尔·杰克逊 遭到一名男童乔迪·钱德勒
[1:37:27]	by this kid, whose name was Jordy Chandler,	指控性侵
[1:37:29]	and by Jordy’s father, whose name was Evan Chandler.	以及乔迪的父亲 艾文·钱德勒
[1:37:34]	These people were people that Michael allowed into his life,	这些是迈克尔允许踏入他的世界
[1:37:38]	and he befriended them.	并与他交朋友的人
[1:37:40]	And the next thing we knew, this kid was claiming that Michael had molested him.	然后突然这孩子就指控迈克尔性侵他
[1:37:47]	Back in 1993, this was unbellievablle to aII of us who knew MichaeI Jackson.	1993年时这对认识迈克尔·杰克逊的人来说 根本不可思议
[1:37:51]	Because we just really didn’t think of Michael in any kind of sexual way.	因为我们都不会将迈克尔与性联想在一起
[1:37:56]	He was sort of asexual in our minds at that time.	他在我们脑中似乎是个无性别的人
[1:37:59]	lf you know Michael, you know his heart.	若你认识迈克尔 了解他的内心
[1:37:59]	Billy Davis, Jr. SlNGER, ‘5th DlMENSlON’	小比利·戴维斯(歌手)
[1:38:02]	Michael was probably one of	迈克尔可说是
[1:38:05]	the most gentle people that one would ever want to meet.	世上最温柔的人
[1:38:09]	Michael always told me he loved children because they were innocent.	迈克尔说他很喜欢小孩 因为他们很单纯
[1:38:13]	They never wanted anything from him.	他们对他没有要求
[1:38:15]	Michael was always so protective of children.	迈克尔向来是很保护孩子的
[1:38:15]	Marilyn McCoo DlNGER, ‘5th DlMENSlON’	玛琳·迈克尔(歌手)
[1:38:19]	The side that l saw of him, he was such a family-oriented person.	我所看到的是很顾家的一面
[1:38:22]	All of us, growing up, you may know about,	我们从小长大你也知道
[1:38:24]	l mean, we always had a baby in our arms, on our laps,	可能都抱着个婴儿
[1:38:29]	and we always gravitate to kids.	我们都很喜欢小孩
[1:38:30]	l mean, it’s just an innocent thing and that’s as far as it would ever go.	真的是很单纯的喜欢
[1:38:36]	l was sick to my stomach,	令我想作呕
[1:38:38]	because I knew that MichaeI wouldn’t do a thing like that.	因为我知道迈克尔不会做出这样的事
[1:38:40]	And l was wondering, why are they lying on him like that?	我心想 他们为什么要撒这种谎?
[1:38:43]	And l can imagine how Michael must’ve felt.	我能想象迈克尔当时的感受
[1:38:47]	Michael called me and said,	迈克尔打给我说
[1:38:49]	‘You do something nice and people try to fuck you. ‘	你想要对人好 他们却反过来捅你一刀
[1:38:53]	And that’s what he said to me.	他这么对我说
[1:38:55]	And he was just so hurt.	他真的很受伤
[1:38:58]	And l rarely heard him cuss.	我很少听到他讲粗话
[1:39:00]	Michael was on tour	迈克尔当时在巡回
[1:39:02]	and they took great care to wait until he go on tour to put this stuff out.	他们还刻意等到他巡回时 才将这事爆出来
[1:39:06]	lt did appear to me, and to everybody in the circle,	不光是我以及我们的朋友圈
[1:39:10]	and also to Michael,	还有迈克尔也感到
[1:39:12]	that the district attorney, Tom sneddon, was really after Michael Jackson.	地方检察官汤姆·史奈顿 根本是冲着迈克尔·杰克逊来的
[1:39:18]	And he said, ‘Why would people believe this? ‘	他问 大家怎会相信这些?
[1:39:20]	And l said, ‘You know, l’m having a hard time understanding it, too, Michael,	我说 我也不清楚为何会这样 迈克尔
[1:39:23]	‘but what l think is that	但我想
[1:39:25]	for so many years, people have wondered about your sexuality	大家已经质疑你的性向多年了
[1:39:28]	‘and they’ve wondered, ‘ls this guy gay, is this guy straight?’	他们一直在猜 你是同性恋还是异性恋
[1:39:32]	“No one really could understand it.	没有人真正理解
[1:39:34]	“And now that this has happened, people feel that they have the answer,	现在出了这件事 他们觉得突然有了个答案
[1:39:37]	“And it’s something that they’ve decided to latch on to.”	所以才死命抓着不放
[1:39:40]	And he said, “Yes, but it’s not true.”	他说 是但那不是真的
[1:39:42]	And l said, ‘Yeah, l know that, but this is what’s going on.	我回 我知道 但目前的状况是这样
[1:39:45]	‘You know, this is what you are up against. ‘	这也是你将要面对的
[1:39:48]	And he was devastated by the ’93 allegations, there’s no doubt about it.	1993年的指控几乎击跨了他 这点是不可置否的
[1:39:53]	l felt that somebody was trying to get something out of this	我感觉有人想要从中得利
[1:39:57]	or they were manipulating a situation.	或是在操控情势
[1:40:02]	Michael was a target.	迈克尔成了个目标
[1:40:03]	Michael had made a lot of money, and unfortunately, in our world,	迈克尔赚了很多钱 很遗憾的 在当今社会里
[1:40:07]	we have people out there who would like to get some of your money.	有些人也想要分点你的钱
[1:40:10]	And they will do almost anything to get it.	并可为此不择手段
[1:40:14]	Michael is my brother. l love him a great deal.	迈克尔是我的弟弟 我很爱他
[1:40:14]	La Toya Jackson Press conference, lsrael 1993	拉托雅·杰克逊 1993年以色列记者会
[1:40:18]	But l cannot, and l will not be a siIent coIIaborator of his crimes	但我不能也不会无视于他对孩子们
[1:40:24]	against small, innocent children.	所犯下的罪行
[1:40:26]	lt was hard for me to believe that she believed that this was true.	我很难相信她竟然会相信这是真的
[1:40:29]	Just because, if you knew La Toya and you knew Michael, they were so close	因为拉托雅与迈克尔感情很好
[1:40:35]	that it just seemed unfathomable that La Toya would speak out against her brother.	很难理解拉托雅 为何会公开谴责自己的弟弟
[1:40:40]	l have seen cheques payable to the parents of these children,	我看过开给那些孩子父母的支票
[1:40:46]	and l don’t know if these children were apparently bought,	我不知道迈克尔是否与父母协议
[1:40:50]	the parents, by Michael, or not, but l have seen these cheques.	收买孩子们 但我确实看过那些支票
[1:40:54]	And l’ve seen these cheques through my mother.	我也看过我母亲所开的支票
[1:40:56]	Jack Gordon was the guy’s name who basically put her out there	促使她做出这些异于常理的事的
[1:41:00]	to do things that was well out of her character.	基本上是杰克·高登
[1:41:04]	l can’t really say on television the words for Jack Gordon.	我对杰克·高登的评论 在电视上不能播
[1:41:08]	But he was a man who had no morals and very little class.	但他是个没品又道德沦丧的男人
[1:41:15]	You can come in contact with the wrong people without knowing it	不经意地遇人不淑
[1:41:18]	or people that surround you, they can have a strong influence on you.	这些人可能可以左右你的言行
[1:41:27]	And these kids are gonna be scarred for the rest of their llives,	那些孩子将背负一生的创伤
[1:41:29]	and l don’t wanna see any more innocent, small children being affected this way.	我不想再看见更多无辜的孩子 受到这样的影响
[1:41:34]	l love Michael vety dearly but I feel even more sorry for these children	我非常爱迈克尔 但我更担心那些孩子
[1:41:38]	because they don’t have a life any more. They don’t.	他们的一生都毁了
[1:41:40]	l had spoken to him on the phone	我与他通过话
[1:41:44]	the day after she had said all those things.	就在她做出那些指控的隔天
[1:41:47]	And l have never heard him	我从未听过他
[1:41:53]	feel so much hate for a person than he did for La Toya.	像恨拉托雅那样如此的恨过一个人
[1:41:57]	l just know that it was something that was very ugly and disheartening,	我只知道这件事非常丑陋也令人心寒
[1:42:01]	and the family didn’t like it at all.	家里也很不谅解
[1:42:03]	There’s certain things you’re not gonna get me to do	有些事不管酬劳多丰厚
[1:42:06]	for no price, whatsoever,	我都绝对不会做
[1:42:09]	when it comes to people l love and care for.	尤其是针对自己所爱
[1:42:12]	He was hurt. He was really hurt.	他很受伤 真的很受伤
[1:42:15]	La Toya Jackson and her husband, boyfriend, l guess, at that time, Jack Gordon,	拉托雅·杰克逊与她的丈夫 当时还是男友杰克·高登
[1:42:20]	and l went to spain to do a TV show together.	跟我一起到西班牙录制电视节目
[1:42:24]	And it was a crazy TV show, where she was going to be rigged to a lie detector	很疯狂的一个节目 他们让她戴上测谎器
[1:42:29]	and then l was going to ask her questions.	然后我要问她问题
[1:42:31]	l can’t imagine why she wanted to do this because I totally thought she was lying.	我不知道她怎么会同意 因为我很确定她在撒谎
[1:42:35]	When Michael gave his speech from Neverland,	迈克尔在梦幻庄园开记者会时
[1:42:39]	we watched it in the green room backstage at this TV show.	我们在后台的绿屏室观看
[1:42:43]	l ask all of you to wait and hear the truth.	我请求你们等真相揭发
[1:42:46]	And l remember seeing it with La Toya thinking, ‘This is your brother	我一边与拉托雅观看 一边心想 这是你亲弟弟
[1:42:48]	‘and you’re getting ready to go on television	你现在正准备要上电视
[1:42:50]	‘and l’m gonna ask you these questions	我将要问你这些问题
[1:42:51]	‘and the lie detector’s gonna be swinging like crazy. ‘	测谎器一定会大声作响
[1:42:54]	And suddenly, La Toya’s price for that interview	拉托雅那次访谈的价码
[1:42:56]	had gone up to, like, $10,000 from $100,000.	突然从一万跳到十万
[1:43:00]	Jack said, ‘You know, this is now the biggest story in the world,	杰克说 这可是全球最抢手的新闻
[1:43:04]	‘and La Toya is going to be paid appropriately. ‘	拉托雅应该得到应有的报酬
[1:43:07]	And the show would not pay her that money,	节目不肯支付那个价钱
[1:43:10]	and so, l ended up getting a free trip to Madrid.	结果是我赚到一趟去马德里的机票
[1:43:13]	They served a search warrant on me,	他们对我发拘捕令
[1:43:15]	which allowed them to view and photograph my body, including my penis,	强制的观看并摄影我的身体 包括性器官
[1:43:19]	my buttocks, my lower torso, thighs and any other area that they wanted.	我的臀部 下半身 大腿 以及任何他们想要拍摄的部位
[1:43:26]	Michael did talk to me about the strip search.	迈克尔有跟我聊过脱衣搜身的事
[1:43:28]	Basically, he said it was the most humiliating experience of his life.	他说是他此生最感到羞辱的经历
[1:43:33]	He couldn’t believe that it could happen.	他从未想过会发生这种事
[1:43:36]	He couldn’t imagine that the law provided for such a thing.	他无法想象法律竟会允许这种事
[1:43:42]	Who would stoop as low as trying to take pictures of a person’s genitals,	有谁会没格调到愿意拍摄一个人的性器官
[1:43:48]	and just trying to humiliate him like that?	好来羞辱他?
[1:43:52]	That was terrible.	真是太糟糕了
[1:43:54]	lf that can happen, anything can happen. This man could end up going to jail.	这都能发生就没什么是不可能的 这人可能会去坐牢
[1:44:00]	Because this guy, Tom Sneddon, he is definitely after Michael Jackson.	因为这个汤姆·史奈顿 根本是冲着迈克尔·杰克逊来的
[1:44:08]	And he’s got power. He’s got the law behind him.	他又有权 背后有法律的支撑
[1:44:12]	lt was a real wake-up call.	令人突然惊觉
[1:44:13]	l remember Michael calling me at 2:00 A.M. ln the morning	我记得迈克尔凌晨两点打给我
[1:44:19]	and we spoke till 5:00 A.M.	我们聊到五点
[1:44:22]	And he told me he would never, ever settle that case.	他说他绝对不庭外和解
[1:44:26]	He would never give the guy a dime. l said, ‘You’re right.	他一毛钱都不给他 我说 没错
[1:44:29]	‘lf you pay him off, people are gonna think you are guilty. ‘	你要是付了钱 全世界都会定你的罪
[1:44:34]	He said he would never do that.	他说他绝不妥协
[1:44:36]	Michael was getting some really horrible advice at the time from lawyers,	迈克尔的律师当时给了他许多很糟的建议
[1:44:41]	saying, ‘let’s just get rid of it, you know.	跟他说 花钱消灾就好了
[1:44:44]	‘settle it out and people will forget it and it’ll go away. ‘	庭外和解过一阵子 大家就会遗忘了
[1:44:48]	The time has come for MichaeI Jackson to move on to new business,	迈克尔·杰克逊将要做些新的尝试
[1:44:52]	to get on with his life,	继续生活
[1:44:55]	to start the healing process	开始疗伤
[1:44:57]	and to move his career forward to even greater heights.	再创造事业的下一个高峰
[1:45:01]	When they settled the case by paying off,	他们后来决定花钱消灾
[1:45:05]	right away the next day, l called Michael, ‘Why did you do that? ‘	我隔天就打给迈克尔问他 为什么这么做?
[1:45:09]	And Michael said, ‘Mother, l didn’t do that. I wanted to fight it till the end.	迈克尔说 妈 不是我 我想要力争到最后的
[1:45:13]	‘But they told me, the lawyers and things told me,	但律师们跟我说
[1:45:17]	“Just go on and pay it off and settle it.”	就花钱把这事解决掉
[1:45:22]	He just heard a lot of people making a lot of promises	许多人跟他承诺了许多事
[1:45:25]	and telling him, ‘lt’s no big deal. ‘	跟他说 没什么大不了的
[1:45:28]	like, ‘Pay them the money, it’s like a quarter to you. ‘	付钱就是了 对你来说不过是点小钱
[1:45:31]	The reason they did it was because Michael was out on tour,	原因是因为迈克尔当时正在巡回
[1:45:34]	they had accused him of this terrible thing,	他们又作出这种指控
[1:45:37]	and they didn’t want to stop the tour, so they just paid it off.	他们不想终止巡回 所以才决定和解
[1:45:42]	lt was too late. He got some of the worst advice, probably, in the music business.	但太迟了 最糟的建议 恐怕是来自音乐界
[1:45:48]	l interviewed Michael right after he made the settlement,	我在和解不久后访谈迈克尔
[1:45:51]	and l asked him, ‘Why did you do it?	我问他 你为什么这么做?
[1:45:53]	‘Don’t you realise that	你难道不明白
[1:45:54]	from this moment on, people are going to believe you were guilty? ‘	现在所有人都会认为你有罪吗?
[1:45:57]	And Michael said he didn’t care.	迈克尔说他不在乎
[1:45:59]	He said, “lt’s my life, it’s my career, it’s my choice.”	他说 这是我的人生 我的事业 我的选择
[1:46:03]	l discussed it with him many years later and he did regret the settlement.	多年后我们再聊起这事时 他坦承很后悔当初庭外和解
[1:46:08]	lt was one thing in the moment, you know, when you’re in pain	当下很痛苦的时候
[1:46:12]	and you’re making a decision based on the pain of the moment,	这痛苦影响了你所作出的决定
[1:46:15]	it’s another thing when years go by and you look back on it and you think,	但多年后再回想起来 就会觉得
[1:46:20]	‘Why did l do that? ‘	当初怎会这么做?
[1:46:21]	And it wasn’t about the $17 million, that meant nothing to him.	重点不在那一千七百万 他根本不在乎那钱
[1:46:25]	lt was paid out in an instalment plan, like he was buying a refrigerator.	还是分期付的 就像买冰箱一样
[1:46:31]	lt really meant nothing to him.	他真的不在乎那个
[1:46:32]	lt was just the fact that people believed he settled because he was guilty	而是大众认为他庭外和解 是因为作贼心虚
[1:46:37]	that really pissed him off.	这点令他很愤怒
[1:46:44]	A lot ofpeople are vety confused on this.	许多人对此都感到很困惑
[1:46:47]	But l can sit here under oath or any other way you want it,	但我可以坐在这发誓
[1:46:51]	and l’m a staunch Cathollic, l’ll swear on the Biblle,	我是个虔诚的天主教徒 我以圣经发誓
[1:46:54]	Michael was not gay.	迈克尔不是同性恋
[1:46:56]	Nor has he ever been gay.	他也从不曾是同性恋
[1:46:58]	He’s confided in me that certain women that he had relationships with,	他曾跟我提起过交往的女朋友
[1:47:06]	he wasn’t public about any of it,	他从来没有公开过
[1:47:09]	because you don’t want the fans to think you’re tied down,	因为不想让粉丝觉得你私会
[1:47:13]	they don’t have that shot of getting to you.	她们就没机会了
[1:47:20]	l went to his home, Neverland,	我去过梦幻庄园
[1:47:22]	Whitney Houston SlNGER	惠妮·休斯顿(歌手)
[1:47:24]	and he pulled out all of the stops.	他真是所有招数都使尽了
[1:47:27]	He picked me up in a helicopter, and l got to the house,	派直升机载我去庄园
[1:47:32]	and he had a coach and buggy pick me up from the gate, to his home.	大门口停着马车等着载我进去
[1:47:37]	We were in the kitchen, and this is when he had Bubbles, the monkey.	我们俩在厨房 当时他还饲养着猴子泡泡
[1:47:43]	l had taken off my shoes, and l felt this little nibble at my toe,	我把鞋脱了 并感觉到有东西在扯我的脚趾
[1:47:49]	and l thought Michael was playing with my toes.	我本来还以为是迈克尔
[1:47:52]	l was like, ‘Oh, Michael, aren’t you special. ‘	我心想 迈克尔 你也太标新立异了吧
[1:47:55]	But it was Bubbles sucking on my big toe.	结果是泡泡在吸我的大拇指
[1:47:57]	l thought to myself,	我心想
[1:48:00]	‘You better watch out, l’ll take Bubbles home. ‘	你最好小心 不然我要带泡泡回家了
[1:48:05]	Michael told me about being on the set of a movie,	迈克尔跟我讲过在电影片场
[1:48:09]	and one of the leading ladies invited him to her room to watch a movie	曾经有名女主角 邀他到她房里看电影
[1:48:16]	and l guess the saying would be she ‘jumped his bones. ‘	结果他一到就当场被扑倒
[1:48:21]	l know some of the stars that Michael had been with.	我知道他曾交往过的一些女星
[1:48:27]	l’ll take that to my grave.	我到死都不会透露
[1:48:34]	When he married Lisa Marie Presley, it came out of nowhere	他与莉萨·玛莉·普莱斯里结婚一事 真的很突然
[1:48:36]	and everybody thought it was a big joke, including me.	大家都以为是开玩笑 连我都这样以为
[1:48:42]	l went on television and l cracked a joke	我还上电视开玩笑说
[1:48:45]	that if anybody’s interested in buying Michael and Lisa Marie a wedding present,	如果有人想送结婚礼物
[1:48:49]	they’re registered at Toys R us.	他们在玩具反斗城有注册
[1:48:52]	On my way home, the phone rang and it was Michael,	回家的路上迈克尔打给我
[1:48:55]	and he said, “Of all the people in my world,	他说 在我身边所有的人当中
[1:48:57]	‘l would think that you would not belittle my relationship. ‘	我没想到你竟然会嘲笑我的恋情
[1:49:02]	And l said, ‘Well, you know, l feel really terrible right now about this, Michael,	我回说 我现在感觉真的很糟
[1:49:06]	‘but you have to understand that this thing with Lisa Marie	但你要知道 你跟莉萨·玛莉·普莱斯里这事
[1:49:09]	‘has come out of the clear blue sky.	真的是天上飞下来的一笔
[1:49:11]	‘Nobody understands what’s going on here.	没有人搞得懂
[1:49:13]	‘she’s from Graceland, you’re from Neverland.	她来自猫王庄园 你来自梦幻庄园
[1:49:16]	‘What is going on here? ‘	这究竟是怎么回事?
[1:49:20]	We did a very long interview, in which he explained to me	我们后来有了次很长的访谈
[1:49:22]	that he really felt very strongly about Lisa Marie Presley,	他向我解释他真的 很爱莉萨·玛莉·普莱斯里
[1:49:26]	that the marriage was a real marriage for him.	他是很认真的看待这场婚姻
[1:49:29]	And he said, ‘And if you don’t believe me, ask Lisa Marie. ‘	他说 你不相信我的话 就去问莉萨·玛莉
[1:49:32]	And so l did.	我真的去问了
[1:49:35]	l interviewed Lisa Marie several times.	我访问了莉萨·玛莉好几次
[1:49:37]	And l can tell you one thing about Lisa Marie Presley,	对于莉萨·玛莉·普莱斯里 我可以告诉你
[1:49:40]	she’s tough.	她不好惹
[1:49:42]	she tells the truth.	她非常诚实
[1:49:44]	she is in-your-face honest.	而且是那种不修饰的坦承
[1:49:49]	l believed her when she told me that that was a real marriage.	当她跟我说婚姻是真实的 我相信了
[1:49:55]	lt was a surprise to me.	虽然还是有点惊讶
[1:49:57]	l had heard it on television, but he never told me.	我是在电视上听到的 他从来没跟我提过
[1:50:01]	He called me, and l said,	他打给我时我问他
[1:50:03]	‘l’ve been hearing about you being married to Lisa Marie Presley. ‘	我听说你跟莉萨·玛莉·普莱斯里结婚了
[1:50:06]	He said, “Yes, that’s why l called you. I wanted to tell you about it.	他回说 对我打给你 就是要跟你讲这件事
[1:50:09]	‘And she’s right here. You wanna speak to her? ‘	她在我旁边 你要跟她说话吗?
[1:50:12]	And l spoke to her.	我跟她小聊了一下
[1:50:14]	Being raised in the south, she had that accent.	她操着南方人的口音
[1:50:17]	she had a very deep voice, also.	声音很有磁性
[1:50:20]	And ll tolld Michael, ll said, “Michael, that’s not her.	我跟迈克尔说 迈克尔那才不是她
[1:50:22]	“That’s a black girl that l spoke to.”	刚刚跟我说话的是个黑人女孩
[1:50:27]	He was married to his career.	他的老婆其实是工作
[1:50:29]	And l don’t think any woman could live with somebody	我想没有一个女人知道这点后
[1:50:34]	and find that they place second,	能忍受自己位居第二
[1:50:38]	and not first.	而不是第一
[1:50:41]	Michael and Debbie were always vety different.	迈克尔与戴比本来就很不同
[1:50:43]	Debbie Rowe and Michael Jackson were not in love.	戴比·罗与迈克尔·杰克逊并不相爱
[1:50:47]	Debbie Rowe was somebody that would have been a surrogate mother	若迈克尔能做主的话
[1:50:52]	to Michael’s children, had he had his way.	戴比·罗应该是他的代理孕母
[1:50:56]	Had he had his way, we would never even know her name.	他要是有选择的话 我们根本不会知道她的名字
[1:51:00]	The problem was that Michael’s own mom	问题是迈克尔的母亲
[1:51:04]	was so determined that Michael not have children out of wedlock,	很坚决地不让迈克尔未婚生子
[1:51:10]	that she really wanted Michael to marry Debbie.	她很希望他能娶戴比
[1:51:15]	And Michael felt pressured also, by the record industry and by his fans,	迈克尔也感受到来自唱片界与粉丝的压力
[1:51:20]	to sort of make an honest woman out of Debbie Rowe.	必须要对戴比·罗负责
[1:51:23]	And she would have done anything for Michael.	她愿意为迈克尔付出一切
[1:51:26]	she was a big fan of his. She had posters of him all over her apartment.	她是她的头号粉丝 公寓贴满了他的海报
[1:51:30]	she would have done anything for him.	她愿意为他奉献一切
[1:51:35]	she never lived at Neverland.	她从未住过梦幻庄园
[1:51:37]	she never moved in to Neverland, like Lisa Marie did.	不像莉萨·玛莉曾搬进梦幻庄园
[1:51:41]	Their marriage was a marriage in name only,	他们的婚姻有名无实
[1:51:45]	so that she could have his children and then they divorced.	好让她能为他生孩子 然后他们就离婚了
[1:51:49]	Michael told me the reason he married Debbie Rowe	迈克尔跟我说他之所以会娶戴比·罗
[1:51:53]	was because he wanted to have a child	是因为他想要有孩子
[1:51:55]	and that she was just a really nice person to be around.	而她是一个很好的人
[1:52:00]	lt wasn’t that he was so physically in love with her,	不是因为他被她吸引
[1:52:04]	it’s that he liked that she was a great nurse, and she understood him.	是因为他很喜欢她是个好护士 并也了解他
[1:52:10]	Michael had two children with Debbie Rowe Prince and Paris .	迈克尔与戴比·罗育有两子 王子(1997)与芭莉丝(1998)
[1:52:18]	He had a third child ‘Blanket’ in 2002 with an unknown mother.	2002年又与名不具名女子 生下第三个孩子毯子
[1:52:24]	l got up one day and heard on the radio	我有天早上在广播听到
[1:52:27]	The Love You Save by the Jackson 5.	杰克逊五人组的The Love You Save
[1:52:32]	lt was my all-time favourite record by the group.	那是这团体中我最喜欢的专辑
[1:52:35]	And l called Michael and said, ‘We’re gonna do a concert,	我打给迈克尔跟他说 我们想要开演唱会
[1:52:41]	‘and l’m gonna reunite you and your brothers. ‘	让你跟兄弟们再齐聚一堂
[1:52:44]	Michael said no.	迈克尔拒绝了
[1:52:46]	straight out, no.	很直接地拒绝
[1:52:48]	And l called him again and l said, ‘We’ve got to do this.	我又打给他说 我们一定要这么做
[1:52:52]	‘You’re gonna make a lot of money	你会赚很多钱
[1:52:55]	‘and we’ll put together a deal and you and l will own it.	我们可以谈谈 版权也是我们的
[1:53:00]	“We’ll be partners in this.”	我们一起合伙办这事吧
[1:53:02]	And Michael said, “Okay, let’s do it.”	迈克尔回答 就这么决定吧
[1:53:05]	We set the wheels in motion	我们开始整个程序
[1:53:07]	for the Michael Jackson 30th Anniversary Celebration The Solo Years	进行迈克尔·杰克逊30周年纪念之单飞的日子
[1:53:12]	in New York City at Madison square Garden.	在纽约的麦迪逊花园广场举办
[1:53:16]	lt was about six weeks before the show.	开唱前六周
[1:53:18]	Frank Cascio JACKSON’s FRlEND, ASSlSTANT	弗兰克·卡西欧(杰克逊好友兼助理)
[1:53:20]	And all of a sudden, as Michael expected,	就如同迈克尔所料
[1:53:26]	Jermaine had all these random requests and demands.	杰曼突然多了许多要求
[1:53:30]	Michael Was vety disappointed with Jermaine.	迈克尔对杰曼很失望
[1:53:34]	He never thought he was very shrewd or sharp.	他从不认为他很机灵或是很聪明
[1:53:37]	He loved his brother dearly.	他很爱他的哥哥
[1:53:39]	But there was a competition between them.	但他们之间有种竞争感
[1:53:44]	Michael said, ‘Well, if he’s a problem, get him off the show. ‘	迈克尔说 他若要惹麻烦 就别找他演出了
[1:53:49]	l think it was reaIIy difficuIt for Jermaine to Iive in the shadow	我想对杰曼来说 一直活在像迈克尔这样
[1:53:52]	of somebody who was as huge as Michael.	巨星的阴影下是很困难的
[1:53:55]	J. Randy Taraborrelli JACKSON FRlEND AND BlOGRAPHER	杰克逊好友及传记作者 J. 蓝迪·塔拉普雷利
[1:53:57]	And they were very, very competitive in that family.	而他们一家人都很好胜
[1:54:00]	Two weeks before the show, Katherine Jackson called me and said,	开唱前两周 凯瑟琳·杰克逊打给我说
[1:54:03]	‘l want all my sons together.	我要我所有儿子都聚在一起
[1:54:06]	“Jermaine has to go back.”	你必须让杰曼回来
[1:54:08]	ll said, “ll can’t deall With him.”	我说 他太难搞了
[1:54:10]	And she said, “He will be no problem.”	她回说 他不会再惹事了
[1:54:13]	And he came and was a perfect angel.	结果他回来后乖得很
[1:54:20]	Michael really wanted Elizabeth Taylor at the show, as his date.	迈克尔很想邀请伊丽莎白·泰勒来当他的女伴
[1:54:27]	But Elizabeth wasn’t gonna do anything for nothing.	但伊丽莎白·泰勒可不会平白无故地来
[1:54:32]	“Oh, Michael, l don’t know. l don’t know, Michael.	我不知道耶 迈克尔
[1:54:37]	‘l’m not feeling so well and l don’t know if it’s a good idea. ‘	我人不是很舒服 不知道撑不撑得住
[1:54:43]	That day, he picked out the most beautiful necklace for Elizabeth Taylor.	那天他帮她挑了一条最美的项链
[1:54:47]	‘Oh, Michael, l love it.	噢迈克尔 我太喜欢了
[1:54:50]	‘Of course l will come to the show with you. Of course. ‘	我当然愿意陪你出席 当然没问题
[1:54:56]	so, Elizabeth Taylor, for a fee of a $250,000 necklace,	所以伊丽莎白·泰勒出席的预算是25万
[1:55:02]	was Michael Jackson’s date at the show.	担当迈克尔·杰克逊当晚的女伴
[1:55:05]	Well, he is one of my closest friends.	他是我最好的朋友之一
[1:55:05]	Madison square Garden SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2001	麦迪逊花园广场 2001年9月7日
[1:55:09]	And we know more about each other, probably, than any two people.	我们非常了解对方
[1:55:16]	And l love him and he loves me.	我爱他而他也爱我
[1:55:19]	He Was supposed to be in the audience from 8:00 to 9:00,	他原本从8点到9点间 应该在观众席
[1:55:23]	watching all the acts do a tribute to him.	观赏其他艺人为他表演
[1:55:28]	No Michael at 8:00, no Michael at 8:15,	8点没见到人 8点15分没见到人
[1:55:31]	no Michael at 8:30.	到了8点半还是不见人影
[1:55:34]	The CBS people were saying, ‘What’s going on? ‘	CBS的人全在问 发生什么事了?
[1:55:37]	l said, ‘He’s on his way. ‘	我说 他正赶过来了
[1:55:40]	Frank Cascio went over to the hotel.	弗兰克·卡西欧到旅馆去找他
[1:55:44]	so l walk into his room, he’s sleeping.	我走进房间看到他在睡觉
[1:55:47]	‘What do you mean he’s asleep? ‘	什么叫在睡觉?
[1:55:49]	l could tell he was out of it and he wasn’t completely there.	他显然神智不清 因为整个人都昏昏沉沉的
[1:55:53]	l started shouting at him. l said, “What did you take?”	我对他大喊 你吃了什么药?
[1:55:56]	so, he tolld me, he took a shot of Demeroll.	他跟我说他吃了些类似吗啡的止痛剂
[1:55:59]	He said, “Frank, my back was killing me.”	他说 弗兰克 我的背好痛
[1:56:01]	l said, ‘You’re just looking for an excuse to get out of the show.	我说 你只是想要找借口不出席吧
[1:56:04]	‘Just tell me, isn’t that right? ‘	老实说是不是?
[1:56:06]	He wouldn’t answer me.	他不肯回答我
[1:56:08]	But l knew that was what it was.	但我知道是这样
[1:56:09]	l said, ‘l don’t care what you’ve taken, you get on there and entertain. ‘	我说 我不管你吃了什么 你马上过来上台演出
[1:56:13]	What makes this a great night for you?	今晚让你最开心的是什么?
[1:56:16]	lt’s a reunion and l’m honoured that the world appreciates my art.	大团圆 业界对我的肯定 让我很开心
[1:56:22]	l’m very honoured.	我感到很荣幸
[1:56:24]	l remember talking to Michael at that time,	我记得那时与迈克尔聊天
[1:56:27]	and he fell asleep on the phone when l was talking to him.	在通话时他竟然还睡着
[1:56:30]	And l called his lawyer and l said, ‘ls it possible that Michael is on drugs? ‘	我打给他的律师问 迈克尔是不是在吸毒?
[1:56:35]	Because l couldn’t imagine it. Michael never did anything like that.	我完全无法想象 迈克尔从来不碰那种东西
[1:56:40]	Michael never admitted to anybody that he had a problem with drugs.	迈克尔从未跟任何人坦承 自己有用药的问题
[1:56:46]	He was totally aloof.	他变得疯疯癫癫的
[1:56:48]	Those of us that did know, and tried to help,	知情的人都曾尝试帮助他
[1:56:54]	he just eliminated.	可是他没有接受
[1:56:57]	He’s an amazing man, that he could, on the pills that he took,	他很厉害的是吃了药
[1:57:01]	put on a performance.	还可以上台表演
[1:57:04]	He looked like his eyes were closed most of the time,	但彷佛全场都闭着眼睛
[1:57:06]	because l’ve got the tapes.	我还有影片存证
[1:57:09]	But no one knew.	但没有人知道
[1:57:12]	lt was a brilliant show.	很棒的一场演出
[1:57:14]	A lot of energy with the brothers being on stage once more, again.	兄弟们再度同台的气氛
[1:57:19]	And the whole thing, just playing those hit songs once more,	再次唱那些经典歌曲
[1:57:24]	brought back a lot of great memories.	很令人怀念
[1:57:32]	l don’t know anybody who could do all those dances and get up there.	我真不知道怎么有人 可以上台跳那些舞
[1:57:36]	And he got away with it.	但他却做到了
[1:57:38]	The TV broadcast of the concert went on to become	那场演唱会的播出
[1:57:40]	one of the highest rated ‘Music specials’ in American history.	成为美国音乐特辑收视榜首
[1:58:02]	Around 2003, Michael became involved with a family by the name of Arvizo.	2003年时 迈克尔结识了阿维佐的家庭
[1:58:09]	And Martin Bashir was doing a documentary about Michael.	当时马丁·巴舍尔正在拍摄迈克尔的纪录片
[1:58:14]	And it was Michael’s idea	还是迈克尔提议
[1:58:18]	to feature this kid in the documentary.	要专访这个孩子
[1:58:23]	Michael has a deep affection for helping children in need.	迈克尔很希望帮助孩童
[1:58:29]	And this child happened to have a severe case of cancer.	而这孩子刚好罹患癌症
[1:58:36]	Michael immediately wanted to do something to help, to give this child hope,	迈克尔立刻想要给这孩子一点希望
[1:58:41]	and give him a reason to live.	给他活下去的动力
[1:58:44]	A lot of the people working for Michael Jackson didn’t want Michael to do this	身边许多人都试着劝阻迈克尔
[1:58:47]	because they felt that after what happened with Jordy Chandler,	因为经过了乔迪·钱德勒那事件后
[1:58:50]	people shouldn’t be reminded of any association that Michael had with any kids.	实在不需要再把迈克尔与孩童连接在一起
[1:58:56]	But Michael had no consciousness of guilt, at all.	但迈克尔问心无愧
[1:58:59]	Thomas A. Mesereau, Jr. JACKSON’s ATTORNEY, 2005 TRlAl	小汤姆士·马瑟劳(杰克逊2005年诉讼辩护律师)
[1:58:59]	l saw the original documentary that Mr Bashir produced.	我看过巴舍尔制作的纪录片
[1:59:02]	l didn’t know Michael Jackson at the time.	我当时不认识迈克尔·杰克逊
[1:59:04]	But something seemed vety, vety manipulative,	但整部片感觉是被操控的
[1:59:07]	very sinister, about the way he approached Michael Jackson.	很邪恶 尤其是他与迈克尔·杰克逊的谈话态度
[1:59:11]	And what was proof of that was the na’i’vete Michael displayed	而迈克尔却很天真的
[1:59:16]	in continuing to talk to this man, who clearly, in my opinion,	一直跟这人相处 我真的觉得这个人的目的
[1:59:20]	was bent on destroying his reputation.	在于毁灭他的名声
[1:59:22]	Tonight, 12-year-old Gavin reveaIs he spends nights at NeverIand,	今晚12岁的文 将透露他在梦幻庄园夜宿
[1:59:26]	sometimes in Jackson’s bed, the star on the floor.	有时睡在杰克逊的床上 而迈克尔·杰克逊打地铺
[1:59:30]	Next thing you know, children protective services became involved,	接下来牵扯到了儿童保护服务
[1:59:35]	and different lawyers began asking questions,	许多律师开始提出质问
[1:59:38]	Tom sneddon is back in the picture again.	汤姆·史奈顿又冒了出来
[1:59:41]	And the Arvizo family, suddenly, have decided that Michael had molested Gavin.	而阿维佐也突然决定迈克尔有性侵文
[1:59:51]	Gavin came to Michael, and said, ‘Michael, can we sleep in your room tonight? ‘	文跑来问迈克尔 迈克尔 今晚可以睡你房间吗?
[1:59:57]	And Michael looked at me and says, ‘l don’t know.	迈克尔看着我说 不知道耶
[2:00:01]	‘You know, l think you better ask your mother. ‘	不如你去问你妈吧
[2:00:04]	‘Oh, we already asked our mother. she says, ‘sure, no problem.”	我们已经问过了 她说没有问题
[2:00:07]	l’m like, “No. This is… something’s odd. This is not right.”	我心想 不 这整个状况都不太对
[2:00:11]	And then, as l was about to go tell Gavin that he cannot sleep in Michael’s room,	我正打算跟文说 他不能睡迈克尔房间时
[2:00:17]	Michael says, ‘Okay, l have a solution for this.	迈克尔就说 我有办法了
[2:00:20]	‘You have to sleep in the room with me. ‘	你也过来睡
[2:00:24]	The two children slept on the bed and Michael and l slept on the floor.	两个孩子睡床上 我跟迈克尔睡地上
[2:00:28]	An arrest warrant for Mr Jackson has been issued	警方已经发出杰克逊先生的拘捕令
[2:00:32]	on multiple counts of child molestation.	以多项儿童性侵罪名起诉他
[2:00:35]	At this point in time,	此时
[2:00:37]	Mr Jackson’s been given an opportunity to surrender himself	杰克逊先生可以选择
[2:00:41]	to the custody of the santa Barbara sheriff’s Department	在限定的时间内
[2:00:44]	within a specified period of time.	主动向圣巴巴拉警方投案
[2:00:46]	They were claiming that Michael organised a conspiracy to abduct children,	他们指迈克尔组织成员绑架儿童
[2:00:50]	to falsely imprison a family and to commit criminal extortion.	并囚禁与勒索一家人
[2:00:54]	And the other counts had to do with allegations of child molestation.	其他的罪名则是儿童性侵相关
[2:00:58]	These were serious allegations, the most ridiculous allegations.	这些是很严重的指控 也很扯
[2:01:03]	Anyone who knows Michael, Michael is not a paedophile.	认识迈克尔的人都知道 他绝对没有恋童癖
[2:01:09]	Mr Jackson has been booked into the countyjail.	杰克逊先生已遭县立监狱申请收押
[2:01:12]	He has since been released. He has posted the bail	现在正假释中
[2:01:16]	and he has been given an arraignment date.	并也被告知开庭日
[2:01:19]	lt bothered me because l was wondering how he was feeling	我很担心 我一直在想他的感受
[2:01:23]	and how he was dealing with it.	与他如何面对这一切
[2:01:26]	Michael used to always tell me, I’d rather slit my own wrist than to hurt a child.	迈克尔曾跟我说过 我宁可自杀也不会伤害孩子
[2:01:30]	‘And here they are trying to accuse me	但他们竟然控告我会伤害
[2:01:33]	‘of the thing that l love best, and that’s children,	我最爱的东西就是儿童
[2:01:36]	‘accuse me of molesting them. ‘	控告我性侵他们
[2:01:38]	The more l looked at the facts, the more l conversed with him,	我愈看手边的证据 愈跟他谈话
[2:01:41]	the more ridiculous these charges appeared.	就愈觉得这些控诉很荒谬
[2:01:43]	He just did not seem like the kind of person	他根本就不像
[2:01:45]	that could ever engage in this kind of behaviour.	会有这些行为的人
[2:01:49]	Mr sneddon was obsessed with taking down Michael Jackson.	史奈顿先生 很偏执地想拖垮迈克尔·杰克逊
[2:01:53]	My understanding is that in the mid-’90s, Mr Sneddon personaIIy traveIIed	据我所知史奈顿先生 还曾在90年代中期
[2:01:57]	to Australia and Canada, and perhaps other countries l’m not aware of,	亲自飞往加拿大与澳洲 可能还有其他的国家
[2:02:01]	to find witnesses against Michael Jackson.	目的是寻找愿意指证迈克尔·杰克逊的人
[2:02:04]	He also arranged to have a website	他还在圣巴巴拉县立警察局
[2:02:06]	at the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department	设立了网站
[2:02:08]	where they were looking for any witnesses or evidence against Michael.	让民众提供人证或物证
[2:02:13]	Finally, in 2004, he got his wish,	他终于在2004年如愿以偿
[2:02:16]	a criminal trial with Michael Jackson as the defendant.	迈克尔·杰克逊的刑事诉讼开庭
[2:02:19]	To see this DA, with this wicked smile and grin,	看着这名地方检察官的邪恶笑容
[2:02:25]	like, he’s gonna become a national hero	一副他是人民英雄的嘴脸
[2:02:31]	for catching Michael Jackson doing something that he never did	为了一件迈克尔·杰克逊没做的罪逮捕他
[2:02:35]	made me wanna just throw up on the television.	我差点没吐在电视上
[2:02:39]	Jackson himsellf, ll bellieve, has said that this was all done	杰克逊本人好像是说
[2:02:43]	to try to ruin his neW CD that Was coming out or whatever it is he’s doing,	这一切都是为了破坏他即将要发行的唱片之类的
[2:02:47]	like the sheriff and l really are into that kind of music. But…	好像警官们与我会听那种音乐 但是…
[2:02:53]	There was a real, sort of, leaning in the press corps	媒体也开始倾向他那边
[2:02:57]	that, ‘look, if this is happening again, then he must be guilty. ‘	想着 又来了那一定是真的
[2:03:01]	We really didn’t know what they had.	我们不知道他们手上握有什么证据
[2:03:04]	We just… Because it was all sealed and nobody knew what it was.	我们…因为一切资料都封锁了 没有人知道
[2:03:08]	l personally believe this Janet Arvizo	我个人认为是珍娜·阿维佐
[2:03:13]	was provoked by someone.	受人怂恿
[2:03:15]	Janet Arvizo is a sick woman.	珍娜·阿维佐是个病态的女人
[2:03:18]	she has a track history of shaking people down.	她以前就有欺诈纪录
[2:03:22]	The more l looked at the history of welfare fraud,	我愈看她之前的社会福利欺诈
[2:03:25]	the more l looked at their hustling celebrities to try and get money,	还有他们试图欺诈名人
[2:03:29]	the more l put this package together, I have to say, I was quite surprised	将这些都凑在一起后 我得说我很惊讶
[2:03:33]	that the prosecutors pinned their hopes on these people.	警方竟然押注在他们身上
[2:03:37]	We’ve been ready to do this for some period of time.	我们为此已经准备多时了
[2:03:40]	l wanna clarify that so that you understand that.	我希望对你们再度声明
[2:03:42]	Prosecution was like a train that left the station.	检方就像是出了站的火车般
[2:03:46]	lt was not gonna slow down.	停不下来
[2:03:47]	Once they decided to charge Michael Jackson,	当他们决定起诉迈克尔·杰克逊时
[2:03:50]	it almost appeared as if they were gonna do whatever it took	感觉上就愿意不择手段
[2:03:53]	to make sure this thing got to trial and that they got a conviction.	不达到定罪目的 不善罢罢休
[2:03:58]	seventy sheriffs from santa Barbara County raided Michael Jackson’s home.	70名圣巴巴拉郡警 搜查迈克尔·杰克逊的家
[2:04:02]	NoW, ll’ve seen murder cases,	我见过谋杀案件
[2:04:04]	l’ve seen serial killers have investigations done in their premises,	也看过连环杀人犯的住所被搜
[2:04:09]	with five people, with six people, with 10 people.	顶多是五六个人 最多十个
[2:04:12]	Never have l seen this many sheriffs descend on anybody’s home in any case.	我从未见过任何案件 需要这样大量动员的
[2:04:17]	lt Was all done because of who he was,	全都是因为是他
[2:04:19]	and they knew this was gonna be a WorlldWide event,	他们也知道这会是全球性的新闻
[2:04:22]	and, frankly, it was very despicable as far as l’m concerned.	我觉得真的很可憎
[2:04:25]	There was a lynch mob mentality in santa Maria that extended	有一种暴民气氛 从圣玛丽亚郡蔓延出去
[2:04:28]	not only to the police and to the district attorney	不光是对警方 还有对地区检察官
[2:04:32]	but, maybe, to the media as well.	或许还包括了媒体
[2:04:34]	And l remember when we were standing in line to get our press credentials,	我记得我们在排队拿媒体证时
[2:04:38]	one of the reporters, a woman, who was a vety popular reporter in America,	有名美国知名的女记者
[2:04:42]	pulled herself out of the line and she said,	从队伍中走出来说
[2:04:45]	‘ls there anybody standing in this line, besides J. Randy Taraborrelli,	这条队伍中 除了J·蓝迪·塔拉普雷利
[2:04:50]	‘who does not believe that Michael Jackson is guilty? ‘	还有人认为迈克尔·杰克逊是无辜的吗?
[2:04:55]	And there was the issue ofrace.	再来就是种族的议题
[2:04:57]	When he got in big trouble, he reached out to black leaders	他每次有麻烦都会寻求黑人领袖
[2:05:00]	to try and defend him.	来帮他辩护
[2:05:02]	He reached out to Reverend Jesse Jackson, to Reverend AI Sharpton and others.	他向杰西·杰克逊牧师求救 还有艾尔·夏普顿牧师
[2:05:06]	l wanted to avoid any racial division.	我想要尽量避免种族分裂
[2:05:10]	There was a phone call one night. It was Michael Jackson and his publicist.	有天晚上我接到迈克尔·杰克逊与公关的电话
[2:05:15]	she Wanted to bring black celebrities into the courtroom.	她想要邀请黑人名人出庭
[2:05:18]	she felt this would be better for his legacy.	她觉得这对他将来的传承比较好
[2:05:20]	And my comment about this request was that,	我对这个要求的回答是
[2:05:24]	you know, if he’s convicted,	他若被定罪
[2:05:25]	his legacy is gonna be dying in California state Prison.	他所传承的就是死在州政府监狱
[2:05:34]	And l flew out, at the request of Katherine, to go to the arraignment.	凯瑟琳拜托我出席传讯 我就飞了过去
[2:05:39]	When we all drove up together, you know, and went through that.	我们一起开车过去
[2:05:43]	Of course, then he got on the roof.	他后来爬上了屋顶
[2:05:52]	When he got in the car, l said,	他上车后我说
[2:05:54]	‘Will you stop that already? This is serious stuff here. ‘	你别闹了好吗? 这事很严重
[2:05:57]	He went in there, he was strong, he was not gonna let anything get to him,	他很坚强地走了进去 他坚决不被打垮
[2:06:01]	he was jumping on the bus,	他跳上了巴士
[2:06:04]	really proud, you know what, showing his fans,	很骄傲的表现给粉丝们看
[2:06:07]	“We’re gonna get through this, we’re gonna fight.	我们会撑过去的 我们会奋战
[2:06:09]	“Everything’s gonna be fine.”	一切都会没事的
[2:06:11]	When we first started,	一开始时
[2:06:12]	Michael came in and he looked really robust and healthy.	迈克尔总是精神奕奕的
[2:06:16]	He was sharp and focused,	非常的专注
[2:06:21]	and determined to prove his innocence.	坚决地要证明他的清白
[2:06:27]	Case 1133603: The People v Jackson begins on February 28, 2005.	案件1133603 起诉杰克逊 2005年2月28日开庭
[2:06:30]	Even after the first day,	只不过第一天而已
[2:06:32]	you knew that these people were only after money,	你就很清楚知道 这些人不过就是为了钱
[2:06:36]	and this was the biggest hoax in the world that they were trying to pull.	才编了这个天大的谎言
[2:06:41]	They put witnesses on the stand to testify under oath	他们要人证发誓
[2:06:44]	to things that never happened,	指证一些从未发生的事
[2:06:46]	to things that were completely exaggerated and untrue.	一些夸大其词或根本不真实的事
[2:06:50]	They were willing to almost throw anything at the juty,	他们什么都愿意跟陪审团说
[2:06:52]	hoping something would stick.	只要他们听进一件事
[2:06:54]	Time for a diminutive mother of four, Janet Arvizo, to take centre stage.	轮到四个孩子的妈(珍娜·阿维佐)上证人席
[2:07:00]	Her evidence could end the career of a pop legend.	她的证词可能终结一个超级巨星的事业
[2:07:03]	What had upset me is they were reporting	让我很火大的是
[2:07:08]	everything that was said about Michael,	他们一直播放指控迈克尔的言词
[2:07:11]	but they wasn’t reporting anything in his defence.	但辩护他的都没有播出
[2:07:14]	lt looked like a feeding frenzy to me.	媒体简直疯了
[2:07:16]	The media were just out	媒体全体出动
[2:07:17]	to see the world’s greatest known celebrity fall to destruction.	只是为了要看一颗巨星坠毁
[2:07:22]	That’s where they thought their ratings in the future wouId come from.	他们以为之后的收视都靠这个了
[2:07:25]	And, for me, it was really a disgrace.	我真的以他们为耻
[2:07:29]	During the trial,	开庭期间
[2:07:30]	Diane Dimond was the worst person in the world.	戴安·戴蒙应该是最糟的吧
[2:07:34]	Nice to meet you. Your hands are vety cold.	幸会 你的手好冰
[2:07:37]	l didn’t say what you thought l’d say. Did you get my message?	我没说出你所预期的话 你有收到我的留言吗?
[2:07:40]	l got your message.	我收到了
[2:07:42]	l don’t understand how these people can run out and lie.	我不懂他们为什么可以这样撒谎
[2:07:46]	They don’t even get a chance to find out the truth.	连发掘真相的机会都没有
[2:07:51]	Tom Mesereau would get there and show… And clean it up,	汤姆·马瑟劳则在那里收拾烂摊子
[2:07:54]	and show that this is not true, this is really how it went,	证明这些都不是真的 整个过程就是这样
[2:07:58]	but they wouldn’t report that.	但这些都没有播报
[2:08:00]	And that went on for months.	就这样搞了好几个月
[2:08:02]	When we finally got to see what was being alleged,	等到我们终于看到起诉的罪名时
[2:08:05]	it just seemed so ridiculous and so far-fetched	真的扯到不行
[2:08:09]	that l remember one reporter from CNN came over to me	我还记得有名CNN的记者走过来
[2:08:15]	after the day that the mother testified, Janet Arvizo,	就在母亲珍娜·阿维佐出庭隔天
[2:08:18]	and he said, ‘l feel so used. ‘	他说 我觉得我被消费了
[2:08:20]	Mrs Arvizo claimed that she feared Michael Jackson so much	阿维佐太太声称 她非常怕迈克尔·杰克逊
[2:08:25]	that she thought he and his henchmen were gonna	怕到她认为他会派人
[2:08:27]	put she and her family on a hot air balloon and let them sail away to their demise.	把她全家送上热汽球去等死
[2:08:32]	That was one of, probably, 500 crazy things that came out of this trial	这大概只是整个诉讼中 阿维佐家族众多疯狂指控中
[2:08:37]	that the Arvizo family were alleging.	其中的一小件事吧
[2:08:40]	sitting in court, listening to all these people lie,	坐在法庭上听这些人撒谎
[2:08:43]	people he’d been good to and all of that,	那些他曾经善待过的人们
[2:08:46]	he said he couldn’t believe that they were telling all these lies on him.	他说他不敢相信 他们所说的谎言
[2:08:50]	These people must have been paid off to do a lot of this stuff.	这些人一定都收了钱才来讲这些话
[2:08:53]	l Warned him about this family.	我早就警告过他要小心这家人了
[2:08:55]	l warned him about that mother. That mother, l read from a mile away.	我早就警告过他要小心那妈妈了 我一眼就看穿她了
[2:09:00]	she had an agenda from day one.	她打从一开始就不安好心眼
[2:09:03]	There was a so-called rebuttal video that was played,	还有所谓的抗辩影片
[2:09:07]	the video that the Arvizo family made after the allegations had surfaced,	阿维佐家族在做出那些控诉后所拍的影片
[2:09:14]	in which they claim that Michael had been a father figure	说迈克尔对他们全家来说
[2:09:20]	to this family.	像是个父亲
[2:09:22]	And they were really adamant about it on this video.	他们在影片中的口气很坚决
[2:09:25]	And this video existed.	也确实有此影片
[2:09:27]	And you would’ve thought that just the fact that this video existed	正常人应该都会认为 光是有这部影片
[2:09:30]	would’ve been enough for the district attorney	检方就应该
[2:09:32]	to not wanna prosecute this case,	不去起诉这起案子
[2:09:33]	because, eventually, we would have to see this video.	因为最终这影片必定要播放
[2:09:36]	And all of us would then have to look at this and think,	我们看了不都会想
[2:09:39]	‘What the heck is going on here? ‘	现在是什么状况?
[2:09:40]	Which is exactly what happened.	结果正是这样
[2:09:42]	The focus, instead, was on the defence’s first celebrity witness,	焦点都转移到了辩方的名人证人
[2:09:46]	the actor Macaulay Culkin.	演员麦考利·克金
[2:09:48]	The prosecution had suggested that in the early 1990s,	检方在90年代初曾怀疑他也是
[2:09:52]	he was one of a number of young boys who’d been sexually abused by Jackson.	众多被杰克逊性侵的年轻男孩之一
[2:09:56]	l have to say, Chris Tucker and Macaulay Culkin	我得说克里斯·塔克与麦考利·克金
[2:09:59]	will always go down in my book as loyal, good friends.	在我心目中永远都是忠诚的好友
[2:10:03]	They had managers and agents and lawyers who didn’t want them to get involved,	他们的经纪人与律师都不赞成他们出庭
[2:10:07]	and they both told me that, When Michael needs us, we’re gonna be there.	但他们都告知我 若迈克尔有需要他们就一定会到
[2:10:10]	There were other witnesses,	还有其他证人
[2:10:12]	people he knew at Neverland, who came in to tell the truth.	他在梦幻庄园所认识的人前来说出真相
[2:10:15]	We had a lot of people that rose to his defence.	许多人都来为他辩解
[2:10:19]	l stood by him because he was a decent, good man,	我一直在他身边 因为他真的是个好人
[2:10:24]	with a warm heart, a loving heart.	一个满腔热血并温柔的人
[2:10:33]	The family were extremely supportive of Michael Jackson throughout this trial.	官司期间 整个家族都非常支持迈克尔·杰克逊
[2:10:36]	His mother never missed one day.	他母亲每天一定到
[2:10:38]	The trial lasted almost five months. she never missed a day.	官司打了将近五个月 她没有一天缺席
[2:10:42]	l knew what Michael was going through	我知道迈克尔不好受
[2:10:44]	and my heart just bled for him all the time.	我为他而痛心
[2:10:49]	The family was there	整个家族都在
[2:10:50]	and there Was this, sort of, sense that it was gonna be okay.	有一种一切会雨过天晴的感觉
[2:10:57]	l remember they showed the Martin Bashir documentaty,	我还记得他们播放马丁·巴舍尔的纪录片那天
[2:11:01]	and Michael’s music was playing throughout it,	背景放着迈克尔的歌
[2:11:03]	and l remember looking around the courtroom	我记得环绕法庭一周
[2:11:05]	and seeing all these heads bobbing up and down to Michael’s music.	好多人都跟着节奏在点头
[2:11:08]	And l thought to myself,	我心想
[2:11:10]	‘Wow, this is gonna be some crazy molestation trial,	这起性侵案也太疯了吧
[2:11:12]	‘because everybody here is, sort of, rocking out to Billie Jean.	大家竟然都在随着Billie Jean点头
[2:11:16]	lt just seemed very surreal to me.	感觉好不真实噢
[2:11:19]	The prosecution, in my opinion, didn’t know what to do	我觉得检方不知该如何处理在梦幻庄园所收集到
[2:11:22]	with the fact that they found 10 years’ worth of magazines,	将近十年份的《花花公子》 《阁楼》
[2:11:27]	Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, at Neverland,	以及Hustler等成人杂志
[2:11:31]	which would suggest that Michael Jackson was heterosexual,	这些都倾向迈克尔·杰克逊其实是异性恋者
[2:11:35]	and interested in seeing pictures of beautiful women who were naked.	并对裸女图片感兴趣
[2:11:39]	They weren’t quite sure how to fit that into their theory that he was a paedophile.	他们不知该如何将这些 纳入恋童癖的说词
[2:11:44]	so they came up with the notion that a paedophile will take magazines like this	所以才强辩说因为恋童癖的人 利用这些杂志
[2:11:48]	to somehow groom the alleged victim.	来养成所谓的被害者
[2:11:51]	The district attorney showed so much pornography	检方所秀出的色情内容
[2:11:54]	that your head was spinning by the time this was over.	多到让人眼花撩乱
[2:11:59]	lt was the only day that Katherine	那天是凯瑟琳唯一一次
[2:12:01]	excused herself from the courtroom for the afternoon.	下午没有回到法庭
[2:12:04]	l thought, they’re constantly flashing this material at the jury,	我心想他们一直不停对陪审秀这些
[2:12:08]	which was a majority of females, by the way,	他们大多数都是女性
[2:12:12]	l thought just was stupid, but that’s what they did.	实在是件很蠢的举动
[2:12:15]	They couldn’t find any pornography on his computers.	他的计算机中也没有搜查到色情内容
[2:12:19]	They had the FBl test every computer at Neverland,	请FBl查遍了梦幻庄园内每台电脑
[2:12:22]	they couldn’t find any kiddie pornography.	也找不到任何儿童相关的色情内容
[2:12:24]	so they just tried to fit everything into their theory	所以才硬掰到
[2:12:27]	and it just became an absurdity.	成了一出闹剧
[2:12:29]	You just knew that there was really something devious going on.	很显然的是不安好心眼
[2:12:35]	This guy, Tom sneddon, was really out to get him.	这个汤姆·史奈顿 根本就是针对他
[2:12:39]	lt had to be totally torture.	一定很难熬
[2:12:41]	l couldn’t imagine what was going on in his mind and in his head.	我无法想象他当时心里怎么想
[2:12:47]	He’s not strong in that way, though.	他在这方面并没有那么坚强
[2:12:50]	The stress and strain of this five-month triaI took a toII on him.	五个月来的官司 带给他相当大的压力
[2:12:54]	You saw him losing weight, he was having trouble sleeping.	很明显的可看到他 日渐消瘦并睡眠不足
[2:12:58]	l would talk to him at 3:00, 4:00, 5:00 in the morning,	我常跟他讲话讲到凌晨三 四 五点
[2:13:00]	and he would be terrified,	他非常恐惧
[2:13:02]	particularly about what might happen to his children.	尤其当牵扯到他的小孩
[2:13:04]	He did need some things to help him fall asleep at night,	他做了些事来帮助睡眠
[2:13:08]	because there was no way he was sleeping with all this stuff going on in his head.	因为他的思绪 弄得他根本睡不着
[2:13:13]	l don’t know how anyone could sleep.	换成是任何人应该也一样
[2:13:17]	The thought that you might be found guilty	只要想到你可能被判刑
[2:13:19]	and spend the rest of your life in a jail cell	一辈子蹲在牢房里
[2:13:23]	and all your accomplishments washed down the drain,	所有成就付诸流水
[2:13:28]	l don’t know how he coped.	我都不知道他怎么熬过来的
[2:13:30]	Most people would’ve taken a gun to their head.	许多人可能会选择自我了断吧
[2:13:32]	His frame of mind was very, very fragile,	他那时的精神状况很脆弱
[2:13:37]	and l was concerned for him.	我很担心
[2:13:39]	He was vety worried about his children and his mother	他担心他的孩子们与他母亲
[2:13:43]	and what people would think.	担心人们会怎么想
[2:13:45]	The first day of Gavin’s testimony, Michael shows up and he’s in pyjamas,	文第一天作证时 迈克尔穿着睡衣出庭
[2:13:48]	and he looked like he was in really bad shape.	状况看来很糟
[2:13:51]	And they actually, they had to, like, help him into the courtroom.	他们基本上是扶着他进法庭的
[2:13:54]	From that moment on, everything started to get really awful.	从那刻起就每况愈下
[2:13:58]	You started seeing Michael coming in evety day, looking like death.	迈克尔每天出庭都像只剩半条命
[2:14:02]	lt was as if the testimony was just destroying him.	彷佛光是听证供就会逼死他似的
[2:14:07]	To sit there in court and watch the legal system hurl	坐在法庭内眼看着司法制度
[2:14:11]	absurd and vindictive and nasty, mean-spirited allegations at him like this,	对他扔出那些恶意及荒谬的指控
[2:14:18]	absolutely traumatized him.	带给他很大的创伤
[2:14:21]	For me, and for other people who actually knew Michael,	对我和其他与迈克尔熟识的人来说
[2:14:24]	this was a real human being, whose life was being destroyed,	这是个有血有肉的人 人生就这样活生生的被摧毁
[2:14:27]	and evety day it just seemed to get worse.	一天比一天要糟
[2:14:32]	5 months after the trial began the attorneys presented their closing arguments.	检方与辩方五个月后 提出各自的终结辩论
[2:14:41]	On June 13th, 2005 after 9 days of deliberation the jury reached a verdict.	2005年6月13日 陪审团在九天后达成裁决
[2:14:51]	lf found guilty of all 10 charges Michael faced spending the rest of his life in prison.	若罪名成立迈克尔可能被判终生监禁
[2:15:07]	One of the sheriffs came to me and said, ‘You’ve got the best seat in the house. ‘	有名警员过来对我说 你的位子最好
[2:15:13]	And l said, “Why?”	我问 为什么?
[2:15:15]	And he said, Because you’re sitting right behind Michael.	他回答 因为你就坐在他后方
[2:15:17]	“And when we find him guilty,	等到定罪时
[2:15:19]	“We’re going to get him out of there so fast that your head’s gonna spin.	我们架他出去的速度 会快到让你来不及反应
[2:15:24]	These people had already decided that Michael was guilty.	他们早就已经判了他的罪
[2:15:27]	And they were sure of it,	而且还这么笃定
[2:15:28]	so sure that they had an exit plan to get him out of there.	笃定到连架他出去的路线都想好了
[2:15:38]	Michael came into the courtroom and he looked like he was on serious drugs.	迈克尔走进法庭时看上去像是嗑了药
[2:15:43]	He really, truly looked like a dead man walking.	宛如行尸走肉般
[2:15:51]	lt was a tense moment, you know,	那是很紧张的一刻
[2:15:53]	the entire world stopped to watch what was gonna happen	好像整个世界都停摆了 等着目睹
[2:15:56]	to the best known celebrity, a musical genius, Michael Jackson.	国际巨星与音乐鬼才 迈克尔·杰克逊的下场
[2:16:01]	That was such an awfully emotional day, you just didn’t know what to expect.	那真的是很紧张的一天 没人能预料结果
[2:16:18]	We, thejuty, in the above entitlled case, find the defendant not guilty of conspiracy,	陪审团在此案中 对被告共谋控诉
[2:16:24]	as charged in count one of the indictment.	裁定无罪
[2:16:30]	The verdict was read and it was, ‘Not guilty. Not guilty. Not guilty. Not guilty. ‘	裁决出来时全是无罪 无罪 无罪 无罪
[2:16:35]	All the way down the line, all counts, ‘Not guilty. ‘	一致下来都是无罪
[2:16:38]	And l remember, vety specifically, Michael seeming to not understand.	我记得当时迈克尔好像有点恍惚
[2:16:45]	And l remember Tom sneddon looking at Michael for a reaction	也记得汤姆·史奈顿 一直想看迈克尔的反应
[2:16:50]	and not really getting one.	但没看到什么
[2:16:52]	And l also remember Tom Mesereau, his lawyer,	我还记得汤姆·马瑟劳 他的律师
[2:16:55]	leaning in and mouthing to Michael Jackson, ‘You’re a free man. ‘	靠向迈克尔·杰克逊并跟他说 你自由了
[2:17:00]	l could read his lips, ’cause l was so close.	我可以读到他的唇形 因为我坐得很近
[2:17:03]	And Michael still didn’t get it.	迈克尔好像还是不明白
[2:17:07]	You felt like it was a triumphant moment	那应该是胜利的一刻
[2:17:09]	but then when you looked at him, you realised that he wasn’t there for it.	但望向他却发现 他的心神完全不在
[2:17:13]	There was nothing you could do.	而你一点办法都没有
[2:17:15]	He was so devastated that it had happened	他受了太大的打击
[2:17:18]	that you couldn’t even find a place to be happy that it ended the way it did	连最后结果如此 都没有半点开心的感觉
[2:17:23]	because it was so devastating that it had occurred at all.	因为整个事件的发生 就已经太令人心寒
[2:17:32]	lt’s sad because l really feel that trial	很可悲的是我觉得这场官司
[2:17:37]	is what really depressed my brother out to the point	才是真正让我弟弟沮丧到
[2:17:41]	where he just wasn’t happy.	失去了所有快乐的原因
[2:17:43]	He never went back to Neverland.	他再也没有回去梦幻庄园
[2:17:47]	For Michael not to go to Neverland,	迈克尔若连梦幻庄园都不去了
[2:17:50]	he must’ve been pretry sad.	一定是很伤心
[2:17:51]	Didn’t wanna have nothing to do with that place ever again.	他再也不想踏足那个地方
[2:18:00]	He would always tell me,	他总是跟我说
[2:18:02]	‘lt’s over. l don’t trust anyone.	够了 我再也不相信人了
[2:18:05]	‘l don’t know why they’re doing this to me. They want me dead. ‘	我不知道他们为何要这样对我 要置我于死地
[2:18:10]	He said, ‘They’re gonna kill me for what l got. ‘	他说 为了抢夺我所拥有的 不惜置我于死地
[2:18:25]	l’m pretry sure there was times when he felt that, you know,	我相信他一定曾希望过
[2:18:29]	‘l wish l was someone else, ‘ or, other than an entertainer.	我真希望我是别人 或是另一个艺人
[2:18:35]	There’s a certain point that you can get to with success	一个人的成就到了一个地步
[2:18:39]	where you have no life whatsoever.	几乎丧失了所有私人空间
[2:18:44]	You lose the ability to be a person.	也丧失了做一个人的能力
[2:18:48]	To be a person that cannot be a part of the everyday life of this world,	一个没有办法参与正常生活的人
[2:18:54]	it could really be devastating on the mind.	在精神上承受着很大的压力
[2:18:58]	You can’t get it all for free.	一切都是有代价的
[2:19:01]	And that’s what happened with Michael,	对迈克尔来说就是如此
[2:19:03]	he had to give up so much that he lost his ability	他失去的太多 多到丧失了
[2:19:06]	to just walk amongst evetyday people.	在人群中行走的能力
[2:19:10]	This was the first artist that l’d been associated with,	他是我碰过第一个
[2:19:13]	and the only artist that l’d been associated with,	也是唯一的一个艺人
[2:19:16]	that you could not walk down the street with.	让你没有办法跟他在大街上走路
[2:19:20]	look at my life. lt’s somewhat normal. It’s not normal, but it’s a little normal.	我的人生还算正常 大致上还算正常
[2:19:25]	But judging my life to his, his was nowhere close.	但跟他相比 他的真的太不正常了
[2:19:31]	He just couldn’t be anonymous.	他没有办法消声匿迹
[2:19:33]	lmpossible.	绝不可能
[2:19:49]	Michael Jackson is proclaimed the King of Pop.	迈克尔·杰克逊就是流行乐之王
[2:19:53]	lt’s kind of hard being a king.	要称王可不是件易事
[2:19:55]	You can get out of sorts.	很容易脱离常轨
[2:19:59]	l think he, kind of, like, isolated himself from everyone who would say no.	他开始远离那些会对他说不的人
[2:20:06]	Evetything he wants is, “Yes. Okay, Michael.”	他只想要听到 是 好的 迈克尔
[2:20:10]	lt’s hard to have someone there	这么一来就很难碰到
[2:20:12]	to give you an honest answer, an honest opinion.	会跟你说实话的人
[2:20:18]	Joseph would always tell him, “Michael, watch your people.	约瑟夫时常提醒他 迈克尔注意身边的人
[2:20:21]	“Michael, watch your people.”	迈克尔注意身边的人
[2:20:22]	He said, ‘l trust my people. My people are good people. ‘	他总说 我相信我身边的人 他们都是好人
[2:20:25]	But that’s not the case.	事实其实不然
[2:20:29]	People smile in your face, pat you on the back	人们可以一边称赞着你
[2:20:31]	and stab you at the same time.	却笑里藏刀
[2:20:34]	These people saw money,	这些人财迷心窍
[2:20:37]	and they saw somebody who they could get to.	看到一个好骗的人
[2:20:39]	lt was hard for Michael to say no, as a kid and as an adult.	迈克尔从小到大都不是很会拒绝别人
[2:20:46]	Because he generated so much wealth and so much profit,	正因他积累了如此多的财富
[2:20:49]	he became the repeated target of unsavoury characters,	他经常成为一些人的目标
[2:20:53]	many of them mediocre,	有许多平庸的人
[2:20:55]	who tried to get near him, promise him the moon	对他天花乱坠地说一番
[2:20:58]	and then profit themselves by being around him.	然后再利用他赚钱
[2:21:02]	And l think he received some tremendously bad advice throughout his career	我认为他的演艺生涯中 在理财方面
[2:21:06]	when it came to finances.	听取了太多不当意见
[2:21:07]	Michael was an easy touch,	迈克尔人很好
[2:21:11]	and anybody could take advantage of him	随便什么人都能骗他
[2:21:14]	just because he trusted everybody’s word.	因为他太相信别人
[2:21:18]	Michael would bring random people into his life for business deals.	迈克尔常会让些不熟的人 进入他的生活或是生意
[2:21:22]	They would offer him the world and Michael would believe them.	他们说什么迈克尔都相信
[2:21:27]	Michael told me he only committed to 10 shows at the O2 dome	迈克尔跟我说他谈好 在千禧巨蛋要开十场
[2:21:31]	for his comeback concerts.	复出的演唱会
[2:21:33]	When he found out that he was committed to 50 shows	后来才发现其实是50场
[2:21:36]	and there was no way of getting out of it,	而且不能退出了
[2:21:39]	he snapped.	他大怒
[2:21:40]	He felt like they’d tricked him, he was put up against the wall	他觉得他们骗他 把他逼到了墙角
[2:21:45]	and let down by people, or misled, l should say.	人们一直令他失望 或是说一直误导他
[2:21:51]	lt was thrown on him by his manager	是他的经纪人帮他安排的
[2:21:55]	and, in his state of mind, he could’ve said yes to anything.	以他当时的精神状况 不管什么他都会答应吧
[2:22:01]	After l heard that he was doing those many shows,	我听说他要唱那么多场
[2:22:03]	l started calling him, telling him…	我就打给他跟他说…
[2:22:05]	Then l heard how they were gonna do ’em every other day,	然后又听说每隔一天就要演出
[2:22:07]	and l told him he couldn’t do it that way. He had to rest.	我跟他说这样不行 他需要休息
[2:22:11]	And l kept after them.	而我一直盯着这事
[2:22:17]	The wear and tear	这么多的挫折
[2:22:19]	of all the managers,	所有的经纪人
[2:22:21]	all the promises that they didn’t live up to,	他们没有兑现的承诺
[2:22:25]	took its toll.	都影响了他
[2:22:27]	Probably, a more stronger person would be able to fight through a lot of that,	一个更坚强的人 或许可以撑过这一切
[2:22:32]	and a lot of them have.	有许多人也确实做到了
[2:22:33]	Frank sinatra, he Was pursued the same way,	法兰克·辛纳区当时也有过类似的经历
[2:22:37]	but he seemed to be a person who could put people at bay.	但他似乎可以挡得住
[2:22:40]	But it seemed like Michael has a certain type of frailty to his self	但迈克尔本身有种脆弱性
[2:22:44]	and it wouldn’t allow him to be very strong-minded	让他没有办法意志坚定的
[2:22:48]	or to be forceful with a lot of people.	坚决拒绝他人
[2:22:51]	Evetybody he met, he trusted them, for some reason.	他不知为何相信所有的人
[2:22:55]	And l think that’s why Michael was taken advantage of so much.	我想这也是他经常吃闷亏的原因
[2:23:06]	Doctors are human beings, too,	医师也是人
[2:23:08]	and they get star-struck,	他们也崇尚名与利
[2:23:10]	and they want a little touch of that fame,	也想要体验那种生活
[2:23:14]	and they wanna be able to say, ‘l’m Michael Jackson’s doctor. ‘	也会想能够大声的说 我是迈克尔·杰克逊的医师
[2:23:19]	Michael would doctor shop, like a lot of celebrities do,	迈克尔与许多名人一样 会一直换医师
[2:23:22]	and he’d find the doctor,	等到找到一个
[2:23:25]	just the right one, who would do the thing that MichaeI wanted him to do.	愿意遵从迈克尔指令的医师
[2:23:29]	Michael felt that he needed to escape,	迈克尔觉得他需要逃避
[2:23:33]	and he had always been suffering from insomnia,	在我的印象中
[2:23:37]	from as far back as l can remember.	他一直有失眠的毛病
[2:23:40]	Michael Jackson did have a problem.	迈克尔·杰克逊确实有些问题
[2:23:42]	Do l believe he was an addict?	我是否觉得他有毒瘾?
[2:23:44]	No, l don’t believe Michael Jackson was a drug addict.	不 我不认为迈克尔·杰克逊是个毒虫
[2:23:48]	He went through cycles.	他是一阵一阵的
[2:23:50]	lt really depended on what was happening in his life and in his world.	要看当时生活周遭发生了些什么事
[2:23:55]	l had no reason to think or believe that he was on drugs	我一直不认为他在吸毒
[2:23:59]	until my children came to me one time and they said it,	直到有天我的孩子们跟我说
[2:24:02]	and l said, ‘Well, l’ve never seen him in that shape. ‘	而我回说 我从来没见过他那个样
[2:24:05]	Then l went to him and ll tallked to him about it,	然后我亲自去跟他聊
[2:24:08]	and he kept denying it.	他坚决否认
[2:24:13]	l asked him, l said, “Now, Michael, is there any problems I should know about?	我问他 迈克尔 你有没有什么问题要告诉我?
[2:24:18]	‘What do you mean? ‘	什么意思?
[2:24:20]	l said, ‘Well, you know, once in a while you seem a little dizzy.	我说 你有时看来昏头昏脑的
[2:24:23]	“You wanna go to rehab?”	需要去戒毒中心吗?
[2:24:25]	‘No. No! There you go. see? Now, why would you assume that?	不用! 你看你又来了 为什么直接就这么想?
[2:24:30]	‘l’m not taking anything, Frank. l’m not doing one thing. ‘	我没有在吸毒 法兰克 我什么都没做
[2:24:34]	One ofthe people working for him said,	他身边的一名工作人员说
[2:24:36]	“You won’t ever guess what this man is doing to get to sleep.”	这人为了能睡觉什么都愿意做
[2:24:40]	And ll said, “What?”	我问 什么?
[2:24:41]	And l was told he’s using an anaesthetic.	他跟我说他使用麻醉剂
[2:24:43]	And l said, ‘What?	我说 什么?
[2:24:46]	‘How do you do that? ‘ l had never heard of such a thing.	那要怎么用? 我从来没听过这种事
[2:24:50]	He said, ‘Dude, l don’t know what to tell you, but that’s what’s going on. ‘	他说 老兄 我也不知道 但这是真的
[2:24:55]	Unfortunately, he did find doctors who were willing to do this crazy thing	很不幸的他竟然找到了 愿意帮助他的医师
[2:25:00]	that ultimately led to his death.	最后连命都丢了
[2:25:04]	Fire Paramedic 33. What is the nature of your emergency?	33号消防局紧急医护中心 请问您有什么紧急事件?
[2:25:06]	We have a gentleman here that needs help, he’s not breathing.	这里有位男子需要帮助 他已停止呼吸
[2:25:11]	We have breaking news for you tonight,	今晚最新消息
[2:25:14]	the singer Michael Jackson is reported to have died from a heart attack.	歌手迈克尔·杰克逊 疑似因心肌梗塞身亡
[2:25:27]	l heard that my brother had passed away through my sister Janet,	我妹妹珍娜告知我说 我弟去世了
[2:25:32]	who asked me to pull over ’cause l was rushing over to my mom’s.	她要我先把车停在路边 因我正赶着去我妈那
[2:25:37]	l just couldn’t believe it.	我简直不敢相信
[2:25:41]	so, l had to just sit in my car and pull myself together,	我先坐在车里冷静下来
[2:25:46]	you know, and l went over to my mom’s home.	然后开到我妈家
[2:25:50]	The entire family had met that evening,	那晚召开家庭会议
[2:25:53]	and was there condoling each other, you know.	我们安慰着彼此
[2:26:01]	lt was rough.	很难过
[2:26:02]	Just the whole time was a rough time in my life.	整段时期都很难熬
[2:26:08]	lt’s so very difficult even to talk about it. lt really is.	现在要聊这话题 还是很困难
[2:26:20]	l was heartbroken.	我心都碎了
[2:26:23]	l was just totally heartbroken.	完全的心碎
[2:26:27]	lt was probably one of the most surreal	那可能是人生中最不真实
[2:26:32]	and solemn days of life as we know it, l would think.	也最沉重的一段日子吧
[2:26:45]	l was devastated. l started to cry.	我难过极了 痛哭失声
[2:26:50]	We had spent 40 years of our lives as the closest of friends.	我们当了40年的好朋友
[2:26:57]	And l couldn’t believe it.	我真不敢相信
[2:27:00]	l remember the feeling l got, you know.	我还记得当时的感觉
[2:27:04]	lt was like somebody punching you in the stomach.	就像被人朝腹部狠揍一拳一般
[2:27:07]	God, it Was just so…	天啊 简直是…
[2:27:17]	l didn’t follow the news a lot.	我没怎么看新闻
[2:27:20]	l’ll tell you why l didn’t follow the news.	我告诉你为什么
[2:27:24]	lt’s because of the people exploiting the man.	因为人们还是在消费他
[2:27:34]	That makes me sad.	让我很难过
[2:27:38]	The night that Michael died,	迈克尔走的那天
[2:27:41]	the next show l did, l mentioned Michael, too.	我在下一场演出还提到他
[2:27:44]	lt just was…	真的是…
[2:27:46]	People just stood up, you know. They stood up.	全场都起立了
[2:27:48]	And a lot of people took their cigarette lighters out	许多人还把打火机拿出来
[2:27:52]	and just lit it.	点了起来
[2:27:53]	You know, it’s just sad, man. lt’s sad.	真的是好难过
[2:28:05]	lt’s just a sad moment,	很难过的一刻
[2:28:07]	to have to carry one of your brothers to his grave.	要亲手抬自己兄弟的棺木
[2:28:12]	We would perform all night, tell you the truth, evety day.	每天都要表演一整晚
[2:28:17]	lt’s not a good feeling.	感觉很糟
[2:28:19]	lt’s a major part of you died with that.	自己的一大部份 跟着他一块走了
[2:28:25]	And there was this man’s house, who used to sell candy,	有个人在家里卖糖果
[2:28:27]	we used to stop there and just load up, eat candy for days.	我们以前都会去买一大堆 吃它个好几天
[2:28:33]	l neverlost a child.	我从未失去过孩子
[2:28:37]	Children are supposed to bury their parents, not parents bury their children.	白发人应该由黑发人来送 而不是反过来
[2:28:42]	And that’s what hurt me the most.	这是最让我心痛的
[2:29:00]	Many days, l go back to his first cry,	有好多天我都回想从他第一次哭
[2:29:05]	from the doctor slapping him on his butt,	出生时被医师打的那一记
[2:29:08]	up till his death.	到他离开人间
[2:29:10]	But	但是
[2:29:17]	all the memories of Michael are fond to me. I can’t pick out any particular.	每个关于迈克尔的片段都印象深刻 我无从选择
[2:29:31]	l’m happy with the children here,	孩子们还在身边让我很欣慰
[2:29:34]	and at the same time, l’m sad because their father’s gone.	但同时我也很难过 他们的父亲已经不在了
[2:29:38]	They always say, “Daddy did it this way.	他们总是说 爸爸会这么做
[2:29:42]	‘Daddy used to do this. Daddy used to do that. ‘	爸爸以前都这样 爸爸以前都那样
[2:29:47]	Those kids are so proud of their father.	他们很以父亲为傲
[2:29:52]	l can’t find words.	我无语了
[2:29:58]	To me, it’s just such a loss, too soon.	这是太大的缺失 也太快了
[2:30:04]	lt left such a gap and made us see what was missing.	造成了很大的缺口 也让我们看到所遗失的
[2:30:08]	Why hadn’t we embraced him? Why hadn’t we loved him?	我们为何没有包容他? 为什么不爱他?
[2:30:10]	He gave us so much love	他给了我们那么多爱
[2:30:14]	and so much wonderful music.	那么好的音乐
[2:30:17]	And l think that this is what we’ll always remember him for.	我想我们永远都会记得这些
[2:30:23]	l love the fact that everything he sang, he sang from his heart.	我很喜欢他 每首歌都是发自内心唱出的
[2:30:27]	And l love listening to him singing, every record he’s ever recorded.	我好爱听他唱歌 听他的每张专辑
[2:30:32]	Michael’s legacy is that he will be known as the greatest entertainer ever.	迈克尔留下来的 就是史上最顶尖的表演者这名号
[2:30:39]	Michael was a great talent.	迈克尔才华洋溢
[2:30:40]	He was the best overall talent that l’ve ever seen in my life,	他是我所见过最棒的艺人
[2:30:43]	and l’ve been following talent since l was three years old.	我可是打从三岁起就在看艺人
[2:30:47]	He was the best l ever saw.	他是我所见过最好的
[2:30:51]	l’ll remember that little boy that l met when he was 10 years old,	我会记得当年见到的那个十岁小男孩
[2:30:56]	that little feisty, cute, incredibly talented youngster,	很有冲劲又可爱 充满才华的青年
[2:31:03]	that went on to become one of the greatest entertainers that ever lived.	最后成为史上最顶尖的表演者
[2:31:10]	There’s only one Michael Jackson.	世上只有一个迈克尔·杰克逊
[2:31:15]	To me and my children,	对我与我的孩子来说
[2:31:16]	Percy Sledge SlNGER	博西·史莱吉(歌手)
[2:31:19]	he meant so much to our lives.	他是我们生命中很重要的一部份
[2:31:22]	He was, to me, the greatest entertainer l had ever seen in my life.	他对我来说 是世上最棒的表演者
[2:31:27]	He was a gentleman and he was vety kind.	他既绅士又很温柔
[2:31:31]	And l’ll always love him, always.	我永远都会爱他
[2:31:36]	He was one of the warmest	他是你所能遇见最热情
[2:31:38]	and most loveable persons you could ever meet.	也最可爱的人
[2:31:44]	l think Michael’s greatest achievement, throughout his life,	我想迈克尔一生中最大的成就
[2:31:49]	was making people happy,	就是带来欢乐
[2:31:51]	helping people.	与帮助他人
[2:31:52]	lf somebody needed an operation, or a family starving that needed food,	若有人需要动手术 或是有家庭挨饿需要食物
[2:31:57]	he would send over groceries for a year and things like that.	他会送上一年份的菜
[2:32:01]	l think that’s where he really got his enjoyment,	这才是他快乐的泉源
[2:32:04]	seeing somebody sad become happy.	看难过的人变开心
[2:32:08]	Those are the things he really wanted to achieve that was beyond the music.	他想要完成的事远超越了音乐
[2:32:13]	We will remember him as this great showman and humanitarian.	我们会永远记得他的演出 与他所做的善事
[2:32:24]	When people say to me,	当人们问我
[2:32:25]	‘Do you think of Michael as being a tragedy? ‘	你觉得迈克尔的一生是出悲剧吗?
[2:32:27]	l just don’t think of that at all.	我完全不这么想
[2:32:29]	l think that Michael’s story is one of triumph.	我觉得迈克尔是个成功的故事
[2:32:34]	This is a man who was the total embodiment of the American dream.	一个美国梦的化身
[2:32:38]	This is a guy who came out of Gary, lndiana, and set the world on fire.	一个来自印第安纳州瑞城 却风靡全球的人
[2:32:44]	He did amazing things with his life.	他的一生有太多传奇
[2:32:46]	Did he make mistakes? Yes.	他有犯错吗? 有
[2:32:47]	But that’s the humanity of Michael Jackson, l think, that’s most appealing.	但那就是迈克尔·杰克逊人性化的一面 也是最吸引人的
[2:32:51]	He wanted to make the world a better place.	他想要让世界变得更好
[2:32:54]	That spirit of his is still around now.	他的这种精神现在也还存在
[2:32:58]	The part that l loved the most about him was that gentle friend side.	我最欣赏的就是 他是个温柔的朋友
[2:33:03]	All the other things, evetybody knows about.	其他的大家都很清楚
[2:33:06]	But that part of Michael, that’s the part l love.	但我爱的是迈克尔的那一面
[2:33:09]	God bless Michael Jackson, you know, ’cause he was one of the greatest.	天佑迈克尔·杰克逊 因为他真的是最棒的
[2:33:15]	Michael Jackson became the biggest pop star of all time	迈克尔·杰克逊是史上最有名的超级偶像
[2:33:22]	but that’s not how l’m gonna remember him,	但我记得的不是这名号
[2:33:25]	because he was just one great human being.	因为他只是一个很好的人
[2:33:30]	Rest well, my friend. l love you, M.	安息吧 我的朋友 我爱你 迈克尔
[2:33:34]	Katherine, how do you feel Michael Jackson will be remembered?	凯瑟琳 你认为人们会记得迈克尔·杰克逊什么?
[2:33:41]	Well, David, Michael practised one thing, and it was from his heart,	戴维 迈克尔在心中一直练习着一件事
[2:33:47]	L-O-V-E, love.	那就是爱
[2:33:50]	And l think he will be remembered for the love that he had for the world,	我想人们会记得 他对这个世界的爱吧
[2:33:54]	and especially for his fans,	尤其是对他的粉丝
[2:33:57]	and his family.	还有他的家人
[2:33:59]	-Thank you so much. -Okay.	-很感谢你 -好的
[2:34:01]	-l love you. Can l have a big hug? -Of course.	-我爱你 可以抱一个吗? -当然
[2:35:11]		谨以此纪念威尔顿·阿瑟·麦德格三世 生于1936 – 逝于2010年